Good trip and fictional musings

[veronica_rich]

Three weeks ago, my friend Susan got married, to a college professor she's known for more than a year. Like me, Susan is in her almost-mid-30s and I didn't think she'd ever get married, even though she did date and had lived with a guy before this one. At any rate, she was never searching for a husband, so I think that's the best way to go. (Unlike me - I do not live well with other humans, and I know this from experience. Sex would not abate that.)

Last night I went to her delayed wedding reception, and met a lot of new people (and some old ones, from the wedding and once or twice before, mostly his friends who'd adopted her into their circle). Susan was telling me how I ought to move closer to them (they live 100 miles from me, which is hard to visit because of gas prices) - of course I can't because of decreased job possibilities. But anyway, it was much fun and it's the first time in a long time that I've drank a LOT, didn't get drunk, and woke up this morning without a headache. Maybe I'm aging in reverse! LOL


Okay, fictional musings. In order to proceed to this next part, you have to have an interest in POTC2, you have to not be scared off by some spoilers (believe it or not, I am trying to avoid really major ones, but I've been sucked into looking at some of the still photos and seeing the two trailers now out), and you have to watch the current Japanese trailer first, especially near the end. It can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZhzUAs5W7I&eurl if you haven't seen it.


Near the end is a very brief cut-in scene of what looks like Jack and Elizabeth very close, facing, his hands up, almost like they're about to kiss or something. That's what I'm referring to herein.

I certainly hope this is either one of them leaning in to bluff and make a point, or a quick kiss that will result in the same reaction Marty McFly and Lorraine Baines had to each other in the 1950s part of "Back to the Future" when Lorraine tried to kiss him and felt icky for it.

HOWEVER ... I do not have the faith in the writers that others in this fandom seem to. My opinion is the first movie was saved much on the backs of Johnny and Gore fixing dialogue and plot points (I don't mean the other actors weren't good; what I mean is the writers did a less than stellar job and were saved from themselves. Listen to the writer commentary on the DVD sometime and how often they talk about being asked to change the script here and there, and THEIR ideas of what made the movie so successful). I have a worry - in the fictional sense, of course; I realize this isn't war in Iran or "real world" stuff - that these two are going to try to set up the old, tired, lame-ass "conflict between two men for the love of a woman" angle, using Will, Jack, and Elizabeth.

I know some on my f-list will disagree with my following statement just like some will disagree about my previous statement about Ted and Terry, but I'll say it anyway: Jack and Elizabeth are NOT a feasible pairing. They are too alike. They would work well together to achieve an end, and they could have a fabulous mentor-student partnership. But sexually? Just - NO. There IS tension in that threesome, but it's not between Jack and Will for the attentions of Elizabeth ...

Comments

[venusinchains.livejournal.com]

I've been doing my best to avoid written spoilers, but I did slip up and read the bit involving the scene that's upsetting you. Your first poster here gave you most of the details of that spoiler, and someone else gave a good description of how I feel about the Jack/Elizabeth/Will dynamic so far (the whole Peas In A Pod bit).

All I can think to add is that I'm still feeling excited about this movie. I've always felt that, for various reasons, all three leads can easily be seen as grey characters (Jack and Elizabeth for their opportunism and all that that entails, and Will for his anger, which, with the right incentive, could easily lead him into a darker place). I'm especially interested to see how Norrington fits in with this "threesome," as it sounds like he's going to have a much larger role. I've always been a J/W fan myself, but I adore all the other characters and would love to see more involvement from any of them. I must go watch that trailer again. :-)

(I really need a new PotC icon. Has anyone capped that trailer yet?)

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I have no problem with experimenting with the characters - WITHIN CHARACTER. My big thing is I just don't see Jack as falling all over himself with Elizabeth and being stupid for her time and time and time again. He's not that simplistic or easily-led. I would say that whether it were Elizabeth, Anamaria, Will, or anyone else trying to seduce him - he's the seducer, NOT the seduced (and certainly not by the least compatible person for him in the entire cast of characters).

But otherwise, yeah, I'll go at least once and see what's become of all of them. *G*

I don't know if the trailer's been capped - you might check out the LJ of leggyslove because she usually has links to such things if it has been.

[venusinchains.livejournal.com]

"I have no problem with experimenting with the characters - WITHIN CHARACTER."

Looking at your other complaints about Jack being led by the nose, if that turns out to be true, then I agree with you 100%. But since, on my part (and I assume on yours too), the problem stems from a split second scene, I'm just putting the possible problems from my mind. *Ohhhhhmmmmmmnnn*

There could be any number of reasons that she is doing exactly what we're talking about and that it makes perfect sense and is in tune with all of their preexisting character traits - when you take into account the other seven thousand or so other seconds of the plot that we haven't seen or read about.

And because I've noticed that if I go to a movie expecting to be disappointed in some way, my imagination can find a way to fulfill that expectation.

*Ooohhhhhmmmmmnnnnn*

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

That's why I never wanted to READ any spoilers! Foolish me thought I could watch the trailer, see some fight scenes, some of the boys looking FINE, and no other problems. Still, it's simply fiction and I'll be interested in seeing what Johnny can make of this muddle, if it's truly a muddle. (He did well enough last time, LOL)

[venusinchains.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm still kicking myself for reading that one. (There's an extra bit I read that your other poster didn't mention. *OOOOHHHHHHHHMMMMMNNNNNN* )

And I shouldn't even be looking at the pics, but I really can't resist the eye candy those two can offer.

The sound effects from that trailer weren't bad either: "Oh bugger." LOL.

And I've been off hounding leggyslove. (iow: I asked. :p) Thanks!

[venusinchains.livejournal.com]

I skipped the screencaps. Now that there's a clean version of the trailer available, some folks have already made icons. *points at shiny new icon*

And now that the audio is so much clearer, I'm guessing honorat is right. It looks like Jack is doggin' Liz.

As to why Will would be ready to let Norrington kill Jack - and I've not read any spoilers about this bit - I'm guessing it has something to do with "Bootstrap" (now "Barnacle") Bill Turner. :p