Hypothesis about Jack's fate - more fiction fun

[veronica_rich]

There's no real way to bring up this discussion without a cut.


If someone else already brought this up, feel free to point me to the thread; I don't always catch everything on LJ, as I am usually just surfing it while doing work online. This is just something I came up with while driving home.

A lot of people have talked about Will possibly replacing Davy Jones in his "office" in the third movie. But it seems more logical to me that Jack would do this - not strictly as Davy Jones as he now is, but Jack's OWN version of being the immortal King of the Seas (meaning, he doesn't have to be all fishy and miserable). And of course, he'd have the Pearl instead of the Dutchman.

Of course, Jack being lazy as all-get-out, he'd have real issues with having to actually *work* as Death of the Ocean, having to harvest big disasters like the Titanic ("Jesus Christ! WHO PUT THAT ICEBERG THERE?!").

Thoughts?

Comments

[pseudoblu.livejournal.com]

I've been thinking if anyone replaces Davy it'll be Jack. It wouldn't be Will because Disney likes their main-character love stories happy (I could be wrong, the movie was shocking dark for PG-13 Disney) and it can't be Barbossa because he'd be scarier and more ruthless than Davy. I think the whole reason Jack couldn't get the compass to work was because he knew whoever killed the heart would take Davy Jones' place and, while he wanted to get out of his debt, he wasn't completely sure he was willing to go *that* far. I think that's why people saying Jack's wishy-washy or not sure what he wants in general has been bugging me, somewhat.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I just figure Jack didn't know what he wanted because he'd finally attained what he was after for so long - his ship and his true love.

[pseudoblu.livejournal.com]

I can see a bit of that, but I still it's it's mostly that he's not completely sold on wanting the heart because of what it entails. I think it's a big catch 22 because he wants it to be free but to take it would restrict his freedom.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

It's true that responsibility of just about any kind IS anathema to Jack ...

[finding-neo.livejournal.com]

So is that why Jack wouldn't let Will stab the heart? Because he knew Will would have to take Davy's place? I guess I didn't put 2+2 together when Jack said something about the Kracken to Elizabeth before they started dueling, if I am remembering that right. Maybe Beckett will end up taking Davy Jones place. That seems fitting and he's in possession of the heart now.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

No, that stabbing thing is just a theory I have (though it's not a bad one, it's not been proven or disproven yet). Jack doesn't want Will stabbing it because then Davy would die and nobody could control the Kraken (meaning, it would still come after Jack because he has the Black Spot). If Jack had the heart, he could control Davy and, by proxy, the Fucking Big Squid.

[captsparrow4evr.livejournal.com]

I like the idea of Beckett being the replacement for Davy Jones--nasty little bugger, that. I'm not sure why it would be much more of a problem if Barbossa replaced Jones, though.

Personally, my theory for how the kraken situation will be handled involves the fact that Jack was very much armed and conscious on his way in. Calamari, anyone?

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I don't know about that; those were some awfully fucking BIG rows of teeth decorating that sucking huge mouth. Not to put too fine a point on it, but physically, I'd imagine Jack was chum about ten seconds after that scene cut away. Yay for Tia Dalma, then!

[venusinchains.livejournal.com]

Chum!Jack. Ew! I prefer to picture him being swallowed whole. :p

[venusinchains.livejournal.com]

Your "examples" of Jack-as-Jones make me picture him being the driving force behind The Bermuda Triangle. Sort of a "this is as far as I'm bothering to go" sort of thing (though The Bermuda Triangle is kinda huge - I still see Jack trying to cut corners :p).

But seriously, Jack seems to already have a unique niche in (the PotC Universe's) Sea Lore. Everyone already knows his name (even those of a more supernatural bent) and they seem to have good reason to love or hate him. Jack Sparrow already holds the position of, well, Jack Sparrow.

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And I'm still attached to the idea of Will becoming Davey Jones. :p I've read the freaky "rough draft script" now, and I think I can use it to support my feeling. The whole possibility of Elizabeth-as-Calypso (which, admittedly, is the freakiest part of the freaky "rough draft script") would perfectly set up Will as her star-crossed lover. Or it could set him up as her perfect mate, which, with the marriage of Calypso and her lover, might perhaps be another way to end "the reign of Piracy" begun by The Brethren? (I'm just playing devil's advocate for that last bit. I do hope that nothing to do with Calypso comes to pass. O_o )

Then there's Tia Dalma's hint of Big Things To Come for Will, with her "touch of destiny" line - I like to think it wasn't just thrown out to make Jack look jealous.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I understand Jack's niche; my thought is simply that King of the Seas is rather a logical evolution of Jack Sparrow - he wouldn't be "Davy Jones" per se, he'd be "Jack Sparrow" - excuse me, Captain Jack. *G*

I wouldn't necessarily mind Will as Davy if he was a different kind of Davy - not a vengeful, wretched, bitter entity, but empathetic to those who suffer, and acting accordingly. I like Will a lot and I just want to see his character well-served.

[venusinchains.livejournal.com]

Actually, I just watched an interview snippet of Orlando in which he says that Will gets "dark," but not "Darth Vader dark." (Eek! Even Orlando is making Star Wars comparisons. :p) To me, this means Will probably won't become "the new Jones" - unless that "office" does change drasticlly.

I'm suddenly leaning towards Davy Jones getting some other kind of closure, probably death, probably at Jack's hands. I say that because Bill Nighy said in an interview that his Davy doesn't get married at the end of #3. I don't know what else would "neutralize" Davy Jones (since I'm guessing his end is necessary for The Age of Piracy to end).

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Or, Davy is simply left to be what he is - sort of a Death of the ocean, harvesting souls at sea. I know Grandma used to talk about "Davy Jones's Locker" in the sense of people and things going there if they're lost at sea - not just pirates or sailors, but anyone.

[gloromeien.livejournal.com]

Just saw the movie again last Sunday night, and, coincidentally, had some thoughts about this issue. I noticed something about the Kracken, particularly that he retrieves souls for Davy Jones. Bascially, he attacks, the souls that are either dead or dying are returned to the deck of the Flying Dutchman, and then Davy does his little 'are you with me or do you want to go to hell' song and dance. Which means that Jack is going to end up in the crew of the Dutchman, or at least undead and well on its deck, therefore supporting your theory and also providing a fairly easy way, plot-wise, for him to be rescued.

Also, I have heard these things from primary sources (those involved with the film) about Part 3: a) that the villain is primarily the East India Trading Company, b) that there's going to be a sort of UN Council of remaining pirate captains that try to combine their forces to strike back at the EITC, and c) a clip at Comic Con showed Jack fighting Davy Jones atop the rigging in the rain, and d) Elizabeth and Jack are together for a time in the third while Will is elsewhere (which is when Keith Richards comes in). Could Davy be enlisted to their cause after some of Jack's machinations? Hard to say.

Indeed, not sure what conclusions to derive from all this. While I do think Will is tied metaphorically to Davy Jones, that was explicit enough in DMC, I don't think that means he will take over for him, simply that he'll have the same choice to make at some point (and, being Will, he will make the right one, unlike Jones). I think he'll be tempted. Also, I really think that line of Jack's about the kracken not being tamed with Davy's death was a Sparrow manipulation of sorts for some ulterior motive, because why would the souls aboard the Dutchman be freed if the heart is killed but not the monster? Doesn't make sense.

So, lots to think about, and a long time to keep thinking about it. I'm considering giving up while I'm ahead, just so that I enjoy the third as much as I did the second.

Hope this was of interest,

-G. ;D

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I figured the souls left on the decks of ruined ships were probably those who managed to avoid falling into the Kraken's mouth or tentacles (which explains why there are so few) - they're still truly alive, but only at Jones's pleasure.

I look forward to the "pirate council" you mention - I've heard it elsewhere, too. I also *heart* rigging shots and am breathlessly anticipating Jack being involved in such a fight. But mostly, I'm looking forward to Jack and Will fighting as a team once again, alongside one another, for the same goal, instead of being at odds constantly and cross-purposes.

[theblooddoll.livejournal.com]

I also like the idea of Will becoming the next king of the seas, but I had a thought while watching DMC the second time; with Disney's penchant for wrapping things up nice and neat, Elizabeth will probably end up marrying Will (though she doesn't deserve him - Will/Jack forever!), Jack will get his beloved Pearl back, and where will that leave their new captain?

After "redeeming" himself by helping to save Jack, I can't see Barbossa and Jack settling down to share the Pearl again, so they might let Barbossa become the next Davy Jones. His only seeming allegiance is to Jack the Monkey, who is still cursed, thereby enabling him able to survive going under water with the Flying Dutchman. Barbossa would get a ship that rivals the Pearl in legendary ship status and everyone goes away happy. Except presumably Beckett, Jones, Will/Jack shippers, and possibly Admiral Scruffington. :)

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I've heard other things about Barbossa, but I'm not going to say unless you want to know (I have no idea how "official" they are, though).

[theblooddoll.livejournal.com]

I'd love to hear anything, rumors or not. I've heard some spoilers for the basic plot, but nothing specifically about Barbossa besides that he does help Will and Elizabeth to find Jack.

And if Will or Jack do become the next captain of the Flying Dutchman, they had better make some mystical provision for them not turning into a sea creature. I like the two of them looking just the way they do. :)

Although, I hope it wouldn't be Will OR jack, so much as Will AND Jack. Jack can captain the Flying Dutchman and Will can be his cabin boy. Or at the very least, Jack can captain the Dutchman and Will can captain the Pearl and they can meet every so often for trysts. I can dream, right?

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

What I've *read*, and I don't know how good the source is, is that Barbossa will sacrifice his life to save Jack's - I don't know how they'll make it plausible except that maybe it's an atonement?