I don't necessarily disagree with your statements about the writers not doing it all on their own and certain other parties being involved in improving the script. I certainly think most successful movies and most certainly this one are a collaboration between all involved. I'm sure Ted, Terry, Gore, Johnny, and probably even Geoffrey Rush had as much to do with the finished film as any one of their individual contributions to dialogue. They each added their own unique elements and it all came together as a whole.
That quibble aside, I have read Orlando say only about a thousand times in recent press that Will is going to go quite 'dark' for the third film. If that's so, the only dramatically meaningful way to do that is if he's estranged from Elizabeth and she comes to question his character (which, as in all tales of this sort, in the end will prove completely fruitless because he was just pretending all along, blah, blah).
Anyway, point being that if Elizabeth is canoodling with Jack, it lowers the dramatic stakes of this considerably. Of course, that itself could be the impetus for Will decamping to the dark side (depending on what that in itself actually means plot-wise), but that seems more like a fanfic plot than it does the actualy, humor-driven and action-oriented films.
Basically, I think such a scene has more value comedically than it does in genuine intent (and by the gods do I hope I'm right on this one). Also, there was that moment in POTC1 where they were flirting on the deserted island and Elizabeth had zero interest in pursuing that. Not to menion the last line Jack speaks to her in the original film, which indicates that Jack thinks Liz is interested in him, as all women are, but that this is another sun-baked delusion of his. And that, really, is a much funnier notion, and way to play that scene, than if it's true and they really are flirting. Keira does do craftly indignation only too well (even got her an Oscar nod).
Sorry for the veritable thesis, but I do get excited about these things! Take care!
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Date: 2006-05-01 02:18 am (UTC)I don't necessarily disagree with your statements about the writers not doing it all on their own and certain other parties being involved in improving the script. I certainly think most successful movies and most certainly this one are a collaboration between all involved. I'm sure Ted, Terry, Gore, Johnny, and probably even Geoffrey Rush had as much to do with the finished film as any one of their individual contributions to dialogue. They each added their own unique elements and it all came together as a whole.
That quibble aside, I have read Orlando say only about a thousand times in recent press that Will is going to go quite 'dark' for the third film. If that's so, the only dramatically meaningful way to do that is if he's estranged from Elizabeth and she comes to question his character (which, as in all tales of this sort, in the end will prove completely fruitless because he was just pretending all along, blah, blah).
Anyway, point being that if Elizabeth is canoodling with Jack, it lowers the dramatic stakes of this considerably. Of course, that itself could be the impetus for Will decamping to the dark side (depending on what that in itself actually means plot-wise), but that seems more like a fanfic plot than it does the actualy, humor-driven and action-oriented films.
Basically, I think such a scene has more value comedically than it does in genuine intent (and by the gods do I hope I'm right on this one). Also, there was that moment in POTC1 where they were flirting on the deserted island and Elizabeth had zero interest in pursuing that. Not to menion the last line Jack speaks to her in the original film, which indicates that Jack thinks Liz is interested in him, as all women are, but that this is another sun-baked delusion of his. And that, really, is a much funnier notion, and way to play that scene, than if it's true and they really are flirting. Keira does do craftly indignation only too well (even got her an Oscar nod).
Sorry for the veritable thesis, but I do get excited about these things! Take care!
-G. ;D