OST thoughts

[veronica_rich]

I couldn't post this at any communities; I worry it'd be seen as too 'shippy or partisan for an argument, which happily hasn't yet happened anywhere I moderate (that's about my only role in POTC fandom these days).

Anyway. I had thought before seeing "On Stranger Tides" that the character of Philip, the new young man, would be the substitute for Will Turner. Upon watching once and thinking it over off and on during the week, I think Angelica might be a closer substitution in some ways. She had a peaceful life before Jack showed up and corrupted that with piracy - like Will, but in a different way. She, like Will in part of the second and third movies, is on a quest to save her father. Both are willing to sacrifice themselves to save said fathers.

And then there's the verbal sparring. Because Angelica's a woman he's (ostensibly) slept with, I feel like Jack takes more guff from her without protest or proper riposte; with Will, he always had a good comeback, a good stop before Will could speak, or just generally seemed irritated by Will. (Well, he has to be irritated by another man rather than intrigued - "gay" doesn't exist in Disney movies, after all. *G*) As interaction with a female goes, I missed, by comparison, his sparring with Elizabeth, because she wasn't someone he had a romantic history or interest with (YMMV on this point), so like with Will, he could turn loose with his verbal smiting on her. And ditto, in return.

Anyone seen this monster yet to discuss as much? (I tried not to put anything in this post that would spoil OST for those who haven't seen it, but comments might well have spoilers - just be forewarned.)

Comments

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

So, I mentioned it from our conversation on my LJ but I DID credit you. However, one of my readers did not and just said me on KTTC and I wasn't sure how you wanted me to handle it so I did nothing:
http://www.keeptothecode.com/bboard/viewtopic.php?p=712646#p712646 (http://www.keeptothecode.com/bboard/viewtopic.php?p=712646#p712646)

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

It's fandom. Ideas don't stay individual for long, LOL. I can't be the only viewer who thought it, anyway.

Still, if they want this post URL to discuss with other fans here or wherever, that's ok with me. I'm curious who agrees or doesn't.

Here there be SPOILERS!!

[captsparrow4evr.livejournal.com]

One of the KttC posters pointed out a fine delineation: Jack knew Angelica before he knew Will. He had stirrings for her; he had feelings for Will. I think (coming from a totally Turrow perspective, mind) that the reason he worked so hard to have clever ripostes to Will's remarks was that he loved Will. It didn't matter so much with Angelica because 1) he'd known her so long, she knew what he was; 2) he wasn't trying to impress her (like he was with Will.) Someone else at KttC pointed out that there were a lot of similarities between the Jack/Angelica duel at the beginning of OST and the Jack/Will duel at the beginning of CotBP.

Personally, I liked Angelica a lot. She's a good foil (no pun intended) for Jack and PC has the charisma to do a bit of scene-stealing herself. I think that they "butched" Jack up a bit for this movie, probably because of the Disney execs. It didn't make me love Jack less but it definitely gave a different feel to the movie, which is why I still rank CotBP #1 though OST is definitely better than DMC or AWE. I feel the Phillip/Sirena story is done and I can't see a way for them to bring the characters back (though if it's gonna be done, T & T will figure out a way to do it.)

All in all, I'm looking forward to seeing OST again but I won't see it 11 times in the theatre like I did CotBP.

Re: Here there be SPOILERS!!

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Just wanted to say, I couldn't say it much better. Agree with so much of the comment it might as well be all. *G*

Totally OT

[gobsmacked.livejournal.com]

But I thought you would like it.

Re: Totally OT

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I saw that earlier! I'd like to think it's Mama love, but I suspect it's more "All right, all RIGHT! Hush up and go to sleep - I never get any rest anymore ..."

Re: Totally OT

[gobsmacked.livejournal.com]

*Exactly* like human Mama love

[the-dala.livejournal.com]

I actually found myself forgetting at certain points that they were supposed to have romantic tension - not that the actors didn't have the chemistry, but especially when they were in scenes with Blackbeard, they had this bickering sibling rivalry thing going on. It was a much more interesting and entertaining dynamic than I was expecting.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

They seemed less like lovers and more like old fond business parters a lot. I think it's because Bruckheimer wants so hard for me to buy that this is the love of his life ... but Depp doesn't sell it equally hard. If that makes sense, LOL.

[poetic-self.livejournal.com]

I didn't click to read your spoiler-y post, b/c I haven't seen it yet. Just meant to ask you if you sat there and thought And where is Will? for two hours and a bit? :) Because if it IS that bad, I'll just wait *G* Can't afford any crisis on not-present muses atm *L*

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I certainly WANTED Will to show up for my own pleasure, but there were already so many characters going on that I don't know where he would've fit in, if that makes sense. It didn't change MY essential view of Jack, if that helps at all ...

[captsparrow4evr.livejournal.com]

If you can let yourself just go with the flow and enjoy the story for itself, you won't miss Will. My younger sister (who isn't nearly as big a PotC fan as I am) said it was really good and wants to go see it again. She didn't miss Will at all. Like Ver, there was just so much going on, I'm not sure how Will could have been worked in. Just go with it and enjoy the Jackness.:)