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NOW I remember why I don't watch TV on Sunday afternoon. There's not much on anyway, and heaven help you if you stop on MSNBC and its "true crime" programs. *shudder*

Like the one I'm watching now, that's basically a trainwreck I can't look away from. This young couple gets together and eventually marries - but before they even marry, the husband has abused and raped and killed two teenage girls, and the wife has helped out by drugging them (and there were more than didn't end up dying). One of the murdered girls was the wife's 15-year-old sister - who she drugged for the husband as a "Christmas present" in 1990.

Cut to videos every so often of the wife talking during a psychiatric evaluation how she didn't willingly do any of this - how she did it basically to get along and not piss her husband off further into abusing her more. Going on how she "was, like, really good at hiding the abuse." PAH. UGH. BLECH.

Now what angers me about this, other than the obvious offense I feel on behalf of the raped and murdered girls, is this twinkie defense of the wife's. "Wahhhh, I was being abused! Wahhh, I had to save myself!" Bitch, I've KNOWN true abused women - lots of them. I worked with a few. You've just fucked over any sympathy they might get from some of the viewers of this program, who don't already know abused women themselves.

There are abused women who turn a blind eye to their partners abusing their children, or refuse to believe them. This is true. But many, MANY more are inspired to leave as soon as they see this happening, because while they might be willing to put up with it personally, they don't want to see their children (or perhaps by extension, a younger sibling?) treated this way. And, though I have contempt for women who turn a blind eye, it isn't quite the same as actively participating in the systematic degradation and killing your husband enjoys doing.

Another reason I don't believe Bitch's story is because a lot of this happened before they were ever married. I'm well aware of the number of women who marry men who are already abusing them, but there's a much bigger number who don't see those "true colors" until after the I Do's. Divorce is expensive and a pain in the ass - but why couldn't Bitch have just gotten away from him before they married? She had parents who could help, who by all accounts were fine until their younger daughter was murdered (the death at the time was ruled choking on her own vomit after drinking too much and passing out from Christmas liquor - liquor laced with drugs her sister gave her from a veterinary clinic). Best of all, she had no legal or financial obligations to get out of by breaking up with Asshole.

Here's what I would do: Bitch needs her clit clipped off and force-fed to her, right behind the asshole's balls. He can snack on his own penis, preferably while still attached (I have no problem with breaking his spine to make this possible). Yes, I am vindictive - have you met me?

Date: 2009-08-09 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-silver-rose.livejournal.com
Yeah, she's pissing me off by osmosis. There are abusive relationships, and there are "mutual combatant" ones. Hers sounds like the latter, with a dose of sibling anger thrown in.

Date: 2009-08-09 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veronica-rich.livejournal.com
I'm no psychiatrist, but just watching her in the eval tapes, you get the distinct feeling she knew exactly what she was doing, or that she had achieved a disconnect from her conscience so complete that she only lied because she knew it could get her off.

Date: 2009-08-09 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gobsmacked.livejournal.com
Watching the Karla Homolka - Paul Bernardo saga I see. The girls disappeared from outside a town an hour's drive from where I grew up, and which was, in fact, Ken's home town. Bernardo was a suspect in sexual assaults in the area near where I went to high school.

Did they mention how the lawyer hid the tapes that showed the girls being tortured, raped and murdered until after the wife had gotten a plea bargain? And that as a result of that plea bargain she has been released into the public again? Or that in prison she chummed up immediately with another woman in for a similarly vile and despicable crime?

My cousin, who is a social worker, tried to get me to feel some sympathy for the husband because he's locked up for the rest of his life in "protective detention" to save his sorry ass from the wrath of the other low lifes in jail. Apparently the other killers and rapists and drug dealers throw faeces at his cell when they pass it. She was shocked when I said "At least he's alive to see it, unlike his victims". She actually expected me to feel some sort of empathy for this moral abortion!

Date: 2009-08-09 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lise-ann.livejournal.com
God yeah I remember how that all hit the fan when the public found out about that fact, and that she'd been coached about pleading abuse even before the investigation even started. There was even a fair about of speculation that she was the one pushing him to do everything; especially considering there is tape of her doing stuff when he isn't even home.

Hey, has there been any word on her since she got out?

Date: 2009-08-09 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gobsmacked.livejournal.com
There were a number of reports that she had left Canada and was living in the Caribbean, specifically in Antilles, as of Dec 2007. A quick google shows that she has a son(! that's a kid with a good potential to normal :-/ ) born after she left prison in 2005, and has an assumed identity - that is, in addition to the name she assumed when she married a guy called Luke Magnotta.

There was even a fair about of speculation that she was the one pushing him to do everything
This would be a nice out for him, except that he was already a serial rapist when she was dating him, the infamous Scarborough Rapist. She certainly egged him on, though.

Date: 2009-08-09 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veronica-rich.livejournal.com
They did mention the lawyer hiding the tapes - they said when he was caught he claimed not knowing the rules of court about sharing evidence. *SPORFLE* I was but a mere paralegal to a criminal defense attorney for five years, and if *I* had claimed not knowing that after only ONE year, my boss would've had me hogtied and whipped. (Many's the time my old boss would come across something that was not going to help him, upon which he would sigh and say "well, shit" before turning it over to the D.A.)

There's such a thing as too much sympathy. I'm not surprised the guy's in the hole (I've been watching "Oz" way too much) - even murderers and rapists of adult women can't stand prisoners who do things to kids. (Although, I'm not sure I'd shit in my hand to prove my disdain ...)

Date: 2009-08-10 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gobsmacked.livejournal.com
I notice wikipedia didn't mention the lawyer concealing evidence, although they mentioned lots of other stuff.

even murderers and rapists of adult women can't stand prisoners who do things to kids
IIRC none of his victims was over 22, and towards the end they became younger and younger.
It reminds me of something that happened when I was briefly taking gymnastics. One of the girls who had been picked for the national development program had moved east to Toronto from her home somewhere out west. She lived with a family in one of the little cities on the outskirts of Toronto, and when they failed to pick her up one night, she was raped. I don't think she could describe who did it, but I've always had my suspicions.
It's because of Bernardo, and the police mismanagement of the case, that my school chum K became a cop - for the provincial police, who were kept out of much of the investigations by local egos.

Although, I'm not sure I'd shit in my hand to prove my disdain ...
Yeah, but maybe I'd take a dump in someone else's hand - just to give them more ammo, you understand.

Date: 2009-08-10 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elibad.livejournal.com
Karla Homolka was a huge failure on the part of the Canadian Justice system. Did they show the tapes of her walking the cops through her house as part of her plea bargain where she's more concerned over what the cops have done to her drapes than the fact that she helped rape and torture 2 teenagers upstairs? If I remember correctly there were theories that she was the one that killed the girls because she was jealous (just like her sister, and how they ruled that an accident when she had massive chloroform burns all over her face I'll never know).

Karla Homolka was a sociopath who was found herself a pretty psychopath to make the 'perfect life'. Bernardo is a sick fuck who started a serial rapist and moved up to murder because his darling wife helped him (I'm not convinced he was smart enough) not because she was abused but because she is also a sick fuck. Then she and her lawyers started playing games and made the OPP and Crown Prosecutors look life complete rubes.

Some dude did a movie a few years ago that cast Karla in sympathetic light. I now have trouble watching 'That 70s Show' since the actress who played Donna played Carla, and I'm pretty sure that it's a big reason why I don't like Misha Collins/Castiel on SPN since he played Bernardo. And I couldn't even get through the whole film.

Yeah, um. This one bugs me.

Date: 2009-08-10 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gobsmacked.livejournal.com
It wasn't the OPP that fucked up! The Green Ribbon Task Force began as a joint investigation by Halton Regional Police and Niagara Regional Police. These are quite distinct entities from the Ontario Provincial Police. The investigation into the failures in the Bernardo case concluded that the failures in the investigation were mostly due to the lack of communication between the Green Ribbon Task Force and the Metropolitan Toronto Police investigations. OPP were not allowed to be involved at all.
In any case, the hands of the police were somewhat tied:
The search warrants granted to the Green Ribbon and Scarborough Rapist Task Forces on 19 February 1993, were limited in the extent to which they could locate and remove evidence: no damage could be done to the house interior in the search for evidence and videotapes had to be viewed in the house

Even the crown prosecutors, since Bernardos lawyers retrieved and hid evidence for a couple of years.

Date: 2009-08-10 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gobsmacked.livejournal.com
I meant to say that "Even the crown prosecutors cannot be held entirely responsible for the fiasco"

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