Working out the kinks ...

Yeah, I kind of got that vibe as well from the one review itself. I honestly thought it was being written by a man until I got to the end on the first reading (I didn't look at the byline at the top first).

The hell of it is, she's not lamenting the loss of anything I can get behind, like men who act like adults and take responsibility and can take charge of a situation even when they're not really feeling up to it - but these are the same qualities I want to see in women, too. (And these are not things the new Kirk is lacking, either, even though he does lack some of those other things she talked about ... which, frankly, is probably why I like this Kirk.)

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golden-helikaon.livejournal.com

The first couple of sentences were enough for me to roll my eyes.

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the-dala.livejournal.com

That review is a piece of shit. "But then again, what do we expect with the headquarters of Starfleet being based in San Francisco?" The fuck you say?

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Srsly!

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Tell me about it. Why review things you're not going to bother to familiarize yourself with enough to address? That's bad, bad editorializing, whether it's entertainment or politics.

On another note - did you read that one review at the community where the OP was basically saying "well, it wasn't that great and if you liked it, you drank the Kool-Aid and are writhing around and will unreasonably hate ME for what I think?" I tried to be calm and point out where it comes off making those who don't agree sound like they're the ones at fault. Who knows if I sounded reasonable, or just like the Crazy Old Cat Lady Who Never Gets Out Much And Misunderstands Innocent Shit. *headdesk*

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I think it's particularly funny when it's obvious that in the central partnership of the series (the explicit canon where it says they are meant to do great things together) Kirk represents all the feminine virtues; he's intuitive, he's in touch with his emotions, he's driven by his heart, he cares deeply about his people, and love is high on his agenda. He's also physically less powerful than Spock, who represents the male virtues of reason, intellect, control and order. Kirk is definitely the 'girl' of the team, and always has been, and that's always been seen as a good thing, imo.

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I thought McCoy was the girl: cranky, emotional, etc.

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*g* They're a composite entity :) Maybe they're like the id, the ego and the superego instead?

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Spock is obv. the superego, Kirk the ego and McCoy the Id.

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*g* My thoughts exactly :)

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I used the IVMM*.

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This reminds me of the early ep where he gets split into two, and they first think that the calm, cool Kirk is the real Kirk while the aggressive one who tries to force himself on Yeoman Rand is the villain. I thought that was surprisingly well-written and blows this chick's argument all to hell.

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I admit it's been a long time since I saw the original series, but yes, my impression was that all nu!Kirk's character flaws were exactly the sorts of things that (with a bit of maturity and self-discipline) would become old!Kirk's virtues.

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Eh, I think this is a non-fan who's seen clips of The Shat as Kirk throwing punches and kissing wimmins, and nothing else. It's like basing an opinion of James Bond in "Casino Royale" on the suave moves in the trailer, and not seeing the fact the guy draws attention to himself CONSTANTLY in the movie, and screws up jobs he shouldn't. *G*

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I honestly don't see the enormous difference that she sees between new and old Kirk. I thought new Kirk was a fantastic bit of backwards extrapolation from TOS. I just think it's funny that she's unable to see the relationship between the qualities she admires and the ones she detests. Maybe you're right and she really hasn't seen enough Classic Trek to recognise the same qualities in a new setting.

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That first part, the quote by Gene Roddenberry was telling. And I think the article made a point it didn't mean to. There's a culture of immature man-boys (esp in the media) running around and still expecting praise. Which does say a lot about today's culture. I just think they need to take the next step and grow the fuck up. Like you said:

Why, because the old days favored men doing whateverthehell they wanted with a free pass, and the new days require they exercise as much self-control and caution over their actions and bodies as women have had to over themselves for millennia? Poor, sad Victorian ideals gone. Cry moar.

Cry moar indeed.

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As I said, I'm not all for giving women a free pass to do whateverthehell they want either - I don't think that's the logical counter to making men stop doing it. If you're an adult human, you have responsibilities to somebody - and if it's not a partner, it's yourself and your own dignity. Even if nobody's making you act like a gentleman or at least something higher than a brute-beast, do it anyway. Just because.

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I think Ms. Smith (sic!) should do two things pronto. Get the original series and watch it. Without texting, or talking on her cell.

Next, there's a nifty little place in W. Hollywood called Trashy Lingerie. She can get herself fitted for a perfectly lovely Victorian corset.

Then she'll be JUST RIGHT for some hairy-armed mouth-breather!

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Some of us like Star Trek precisely because we DON'T want the Neanderthal who doesn't reflect on his actions and learn from his mistakes. I don't know what she used to watch.

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I could barely even read that thing.

Feminism and sexual liberation is what "transforming the male-female relationship into one of suspicion and cynicism"? Er no, just dragged it all into the open.

Keep dreaming of your utopia, princess. I suspect you wouldn't actually be allowed to blog there, no matter your ideals.

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"transforming the male-female relationship into one of suspicion and cynicism"
She so don't know her history and comparative culture:

Just e.g.: In the Victorian Period (from whence she gets her stupid ideas), women are the civilizing force and yet something like 100,000 prostitutes in London alone, many under 16. (I have a friend who quoted me exact statistics but I can't recall them.) Most forced into prostitution, many because they were dismissed from domestic service, one of the few professions open to women.

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Don't forget, too, that the prostitution existed because men were excused from having to BE civilized or held accountable for their actions. How "civilizing" could a wife be when society basically said to her husband "it's okay if you're not happy there - just wander on over to Whitechapel and get your knob polished by a disease-ridden hooker, and then give it to your wife later"? It's like hiring a teacher and then telling the kids they don't really have to listen. (Which is a horrifically improper definition of a marriage relationship anyway.)

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IIRC, there was even a sort of feeling that middle and upper-class men *shouldn't* prefer to get their knobs polished by their wives. Their wives were Good Women, who couldn't be thought of as wanting to do the nasty. Prostitutes were crude "earthy" lower class woman who probably enjoyed it. (I know someone who contemplated doing a paper on the similarity between this prejudice and some of the racially-motivated prejudices).

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I have an older female friend who thought what Bill Clinton did to get fellatio was perfectly fine, since he obviously shouldn't expect his wife to do it, if he respects her. I don't care what Bill did because he's not my husband and he never made his sexual fidelity or anyone else's part of his campaign platform. But I wouldn't put up wtih it from my own husband.

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Bill Clinton did to get fellatio was perfectly fine, since he obviously shouldn't expect his wife to do it, if he respects her
*sputters*
*flails*
*is speechless*

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Bluntly? I think she sees it as demeaning to be on one's knees putting one's mouth around some man's wee-wee. *shrugs cluelessly*

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I guess that means a woman should never expect cunnilingus from her husband if she respects him. *makes mental note*

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Oh, I didn't ask, but I expect that's probably right.

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But it's all just good clean fun.

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I'm always amused by women who argue for traditional roles for women - through media that "traditional" women 50-60 years ago wouldn't have had access TO the same way they do. I wonder, too, what the hell would they be doing if they weren't doing this? Happily baking bread and cleaning house all day?

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Where do they find these people?

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