Wow (courtesy of angry_biscuit)

[veronica_rich]

Um ... how fucking self-defeating can you be?

Seriously ... your female candidate loses, so instead of getting over it and voting for the next best thing being offered in this particular election to what you wanted, you're going for the senile white guy who wants to stay at war for 100 years, and privatize Social Security (among other things not desirable for minorities or people who earn under $200K a year, I assure you)?

A vote for McCain is a third term for Bush. Your choice. Pass it on.

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[crevette.livejournal.com]

Look at it this way--for a lot of people it isn't about party loyalty. It's about how the candidates fit with what a person's personal viewpoints and values. Some of the BS is spite, and some of it is simply that the chosen candidate really isn't what people feel the country needs.

This thing about voting "Democrat or die" thing is BS for all the Independant and third party voters and disaffected Republicans. They have to find a candidate that aligns closest with their views. Not everyone who wanted to vote for Clinton was a democrat--and not just because that douche Rush Limbaugh thought he was being clever. (the man needs to be shot for perverting our election processes)

Obama is very far left and liberal. Clinton was pretty left but she was more centrist in a lot of aspects. People who are more conservative aren't going to go as far left as Obama. It just ain't going to happen.

McCain isn't Satan. He's not the best candidate in the world, but neither is Obama. (and Obama supporters who recoil at people who say that, start screaming "RACIST" and throwing insults around really are NOT helping the cause. Just sayin'.)

Personally, I'm researching third party options because I really find both major party candidates unacceptable.

That said, if McCain does the predicted softening of the Republican party platform on abortion, that's going to take a way a lot of Obama's moderate female republican support that would be voting for him only for that reason. The frothing at the mouth conservatives really are not a major factor. They--and everyone else--overestimated their pull. That's evident by the fact that McCain overwhelming defeated their favored son Romney.

I know we don't agree on these things, but just my two cents from not necessarily the other end of the spectrum, but maybe more towards the middle???

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

First of all, I'm not sure you fit into this post's intentions - you're Republican and I know that. I'm referring to either the "party faithful" or those who cannot vote for McCain in any conscience (as I simply can't).

And I'm not implying you don't have a conscience. But in fairness, I get the feeling you and I don't vote for exactly the same things all the time. *G*

I'm not pushing Obama; well, you know that already. We've had that discussion. I'm simply pointing out the convoluted, self-defeatist (to me) thinking that would have people who are voting for one platform and set of ideals abandon it for the an almost-opposite set because they're not getting the exact person they want. (It's just IMO, but I don't think Obama is to the Democratic party what Bush was to the Republicans - way radical off the map and largely non-representative of the party's ideals.)

[crevette.livejournal.com]

Meh. I figured that I wasn't targeted. But I still wonder why people just can't see that not every Democrat leans to the far left, just like not every Republican leans to the far right. There are conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans and moderates on both sides.

Clinton represented more of the middle ground--especially on national security, which is a BIG issue because of where our numbnuts-in-chief has gotten us. People can shift a little, but you can't expect an complete ideological shift just because someone is the candidate.

I'm sure the majority of Democrats will be voting in lockstep this year. But I'm also sure that there's going to be a lot of third party voting too.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

But I'm also sure that there's going to be a lot of third party voting too.

Personal principles that would lead to a vote for a third party are fine. But real-world practicality has to occasionally win out, especially when that voting would put the candidate you *least* want right in the driver's seat after all. And at this point, I do not want to see McCain in the White House.