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... the erstwhile [livejournal.com profile] fabu, if you want me to look at your art and comment, or read your story, it helps not to just throw in random character-bashing in the product description. While I realize a great deal of fanfic apparently can't exist without the crushing defeat, emasculation, or villainizing of a non-villain character I like, I was not aware visual arts that don't even feature the character in question could fall under the same guidelines. When you draw a perfectly cute little scene that I would otherwise happily comment upon and feel the need to note that it's celebrating getting rid of said character (when such information is really not germane to the drawing), you can expect no comment from me. :-D

Oh, sure, it's your art, and you can say what you want in your own journal. Just don't expect as much feedback as you might've gotten otherwise, especially if you're going to crosspost to general communities where everyone may not appreciate your bon mot as much as your pairing-specific friends do. I know too many artists who don't resort to throwing in random desultory comments when presenting their work, and they're more deserving of praise.

Date: 2007-06-13 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yoiebear.livejournal.com
You have now made me very curious about said art, but I am at work and really, really shouldn't look....

Date: 2007-06-13 02:08 pm (UTC)
ext_15536: Fuschias by Geek Mama (Jack - Do Not Go Gentle - By Abayuun)
From: [identity profile] geekmama.livejournal.com
*scrolls down to see what you're talking about*

*rolls eyes in disgust*

Grrrr. This is NOT what I want to see in my happy little fannish world.

*stomps off to work, muttering to self*

Date: 2007-06-13 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] golden-helikaon.livejournal.com
How about a 'lets-get-rid-of-childish-character-bashers' party, hm?

I'm loathed to say it's a good bit of art, because I think it is, but the reasoning for it is, well, crap.

Date: 2007-06-13 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starrdust411.livejournal.com
I saw that picture and it broke my heart. Everything that user has drawn before then has been so cute and sweet and now that she randomly bashed Will for no reason puts a sour taste in my mouth. I don't like Elizabeth, but I don't go around bashing her in my fanfics when I know some pro-Lizzie people might be out there. :(

Date: 2007-06-13 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mneiai.livejournal.com
I have no idea what's going on, but that's just a bad policy to have. No matter how much you hate a character, your fanwork isn't the place to talk about it. ::shakes head:: The goal isn't to ostracize half of a fandom.

Date: 2007-06-13 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudoblu.livejournal.com
Now you've made me curious. I'm sure I'll come across it if I haven't already.

And yes, I agree. There have been a couple times I've come across probably lovely things, but a bashing comment in the author notes will leave me fuming. I'm proud of myself for walking away each time. So far, anyway. Grr.

Date: 2007-06-13 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erinya.livejournal.com
Really sad, because the art without the note would have been super-cute, but the author's note made it completely OOC. :-(

Date: 2007-06-13 06:30 pm (UTC)
ext_14908: (Time to go (candied))
From: [identity profile] venusinchains.livejournal.com
I'm afraid I responded to it. I tried to keep it short and simple. My point should be clear enough, but I'm not sure how it'll be received. :-p

Date: 2007-06-13 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elibad.livejournal.com
I've been attempting to refrain from commenting, which obviously, I suck at. XP My attempts at being all 'tolerant and understanding' (i.e. un-smug) are being undermined by the 'idiots', dammit.

The Will bashing. Yeah, okay, whatthefuckever. He's a good, strong, upstanding character who gets the girl and is played by an actor perceived by some as somehow threatening to Johnny's (fangirl favorite? big hot stud? Master of the Universe?) status. This clearly makes him a pansy or whelp or whatever the hell they are insulting him with these days.

And can I just add; wow, little Miss (that's Mrs now) Freedom and Independence being talked 'into' a dress, how delightful. Is that better or worse than being talked 'out of' her dress?

Date: 2007-06-13 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] captsparrow4evr.livejournal.com
I have to disagree with whoever above said that it was good. If you're going to draw something and have the audacity to insult a major character in that fandom, at least make sure you draw well enough to make the characters look like what they're supposed to look like. It's immature work from an immature mind. Maybe someday, that artist will grow up and produce something of worth. That drawing just isn't it.

Date: 2007-06-14 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kahva.livejournal.com
Bwuh??

I've got the feeling that there's a post in a community somewhere that I should be glad that I'm not a part of that community, at least as far as the post in question goes. Going back to cleaning off the HD on-air servers now, I think I'm safer there.

Date: 2007-06-14 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theoneissilent.livejournal.com
My curiosity got the better of me and I scrolled back over my flist and found the drawing (can't bring myself to call it artwork) you were talking about. Normally I just skip over anything that appears to be Jack/Elizabeth oriented because I figure it won't be favorable towards my boy. I have enough stress in my life, thank you very much, and I don't need to get upset by thoughtless (read that witless) people. The best way to avoid, is to ignore. I love Will......period. I do not understand how anyone can hate the character, but to each his own. I don't bash other characters and I don't think its funny or cute to say disparaging things about something or someone that other people like - especially in a fandom that is supposed to celebrate ALL the characters. The thing that bothered me the most about the post though, was the way she just blew it off as being surprised that the "Will" people would take it seriously or be offended by it.P-L-E-A-S-E.
We all know that if we said something like that about Jack in a forum that was dedicated to all the characters, we'd be ripped to shreads! Why isn't Will afforded the same amount of courtesy as the other characters? I know I shouldn't let this bother me, but I am soooooooo tired of people bashing my beautiful, heroic, selfless boy.

Date: 2007-06-15 05:05 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Please tell me this isn't response to the "we got rid of Will party" thing. This all seems a little harsh for a throwaway comment like that. It's like she said, "And Will Turner is a one dimensional character woodenly portrayed by Orlando Bloom, and he should just die so there." Yes, it would be nice if everyone liked every character, etc etc. But you have to respect people's rights to state their opinions. If you say, "that's a cute drawing," you're not thereby associating yourself with "character bashing." Sorry, I think I'm sort of rambing. I'll try this :) Point of comment: Everybody just relax.

Date: 2007-06-18 04:33 am (UTC)

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