Note: I'm a total Will/Elizabeth, Jack/the Pearl shipper, but I have tolerance for all 'shippers to 'ship as they choose.
this was originally a reply to a comment above, but I got a little carried away. *g*
I see what you mean about Elizabeth risking a lot by responding (or pretending to) to jack's advances - I, too, would far rather have Will than Jack, for reasons detailed below. However? I think she's trying to lead him out on a limb of sorts, because she's royally pissed at him for leaving Will on the Dutchman - don't forget, if not for Governor Swann's getting her out of jail, she'd be facing the gallows when Beckett got tired of waiting for Will to come back with the compass. And I don't think he'd hesitate to do it for a second.
One of my main objections to J/E (besides that they're too much alike, and that Elizabeth is in love with Will) is that I really don't think that Jack's capable of committing to anyone but the Pearl. I don't see why Elizabeth would give way to jack's come-ons (but he did do it all in public, didn't he? Hmmm...) when she knows perfectly well that Jack would bed her and forget her before the sheets were cold. She's bound to have had enough experience with that already (see below)
The thing about using sexual manipulation? You have to remember, that until very recently (I'd say it's been about a year since CotBP) that manipulation was the *only * weapon that Elizabeth possessed. Given that she's a noblewoman in an English colony... anyone read Regency romances? Since most nobles didn't have the responsibility of earning a living, they spent a lot of time with power- and mind-games of oneupmanship - and seducing a man's wife, or even a daughter before they were safely married, won major points. (if you've seen Dangerous Liasions, or even Cruel Intentions, the character portrayals weren't too exaggerated). Not to mention, the main way for a broke noble to get money was to marry an heiress. And when you add in how far away from England and Society's condemnation the colonials were, that makes the infighting even more vicious. As the Governor's daughter, complete with large dowry, Elizabeth was probably the biggest target. So when you look at it that way, Elizabeth's been the prime chunk of meat in a school of sharks for several years now. Learning to use her femininity as a weapon was a prime survival skill - and probably the only reason she stayed single long enough for Will to declare himself in the first place!
That's another reason I have doubts about the J/E thing - Elizabeth has really and truly fought to marry Will. Not just her father - because I really don't think Weatherby's 'is this the path you've chosen' comment was the end of it - to the fact that almost everyone in her social circle would have taunted and condemned her for marrying not only a commoner, but a tradesman! It took Elizabeth a great deal of effort to get to the altar, not matter how willing her groom was.
I gotta say - I think part of those comments Jack was making about performing marriages, are going to lead to him performing Will an Elizabeth's wedding ceremony on the deck of the Pearl, at the end of PotC 3. That would suit those two down to the ground, I think! (Elizabeth would do it just to get out of wearing a corset!)
Which brings up another point - Jack originally traded his soul to raise the Black Pearl from the depths, correct? Which not only makes me sure the lovely Pearl will be resurrected in top condition at some point in 3, but begs the question - how did it get sunk in the first place?
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Date: 2006-07-23 11:28 am (UTC)this was originally a reply to a comment above, but I got a little carried away. *g*
I see what you mean about Elizabeth risking a lot by responding (or pretending to) to jack's advances - I, too, would far rather have Will than Jack, for reasons detailed below. However? I think she's trying to lead him out on a limb of sorts, because she's royally pissed at him for leaving Will on the Dutchman - don't forget, if not for Governor Swann's getting her out of jail, she'd be facing the gallows when Beckett got tired of waiting for Will to come back with the compass. And I don't think he'd hesitate to do it for a second.
One of my main objections to J/E (besides that they're too much alike, and that Elizabeth is in love with Will) is that I really don't think that Jack's capable of committing to anyone but the Pearl. I don't see why Elizabeth would give way to jack's come-ons (but he did do it all in public, didn't he? Hmmm...) when she knows perfectly well that Jack would bed her and forget her before the sheets were cold. She's bound to have had enough experience with that already (see below)
The thing about using sexual manipulation? You have to remember, that until very recently (I'd say it's been about a year since CotBP) that manipulation was the *only * weapon that Elizabeth possessed. Given that she's a noblewoman in an English colony... anyone read Regency romances? Since most nobles didn't have the responsibility of earning a living, they spent a lot of time with power- and mind-games of oneupmanship - and seducing a man's wife, or even a daughter before they were safely married, won major points. (if you've seen Dangerous Liasions, or even Cruel Intentions, the character portrayals weren't too exaggerated). Not to mention, the main way for a broke noble to get money was to marry an heiress. And when you add in how far away from England and Society's condemnation the colonials were, that makes the infighting even more vicious. As the Governor's daughter, complete with large dowry, Elizabeth was probably the biggest target. So when you look at it that way, Elizabeth's been the prime chunk of meat in a school of sharks for several years now. Learning to use her femininity as a weapon was a prime survival skill - and probably the only reason she stayed single long enough for Will to declare himself in the first place!
That's another reason I have doubts about the J/E thing - Elizabeth has really and truly fought to marry Will. Not just her father - because I really don't think Weatherby's 'is this the path you've chosen' comment was the end of it - to the fact that almost everyone in her social circle would have taunted and condemned her for marrying not only a commoner, but a tradesman! It took Elizabeth a great deal of effort to get to the altar, not matter how willing her groom was.
I gotta say - I think part of those comments Jack was making about performing marriages, are going to lead to him performing Will an Elizabeth's wedding ceremony on the deck of the Pearl, at the end of PotC 3. That would suit those two down to the ground, I think! (Elizabeth would do it just to get out of wearing a corset!)
Which brings up another point - Jack originally traded his soul to raise the Black Pearl from the depths, correct? Which not only makes me sure the lovely Pearl will be resurrected in top condition at some point in 3, but begs the question - how did it get sunk in the first place?