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I love how my state's Right to Life website features a photo of a cute little baby in a carrier, all dressed in red, white, and blue. Also, a woman holding a baby with the slogan "Love Them Both." (I want to hack it and add "As Long As She Makes YOUR Choice" underneath.)

But these are interesting images for a fetal-lovin' group to put up. Think of all the people you know in your life who identify as pro-choice - how many of them have EVER advocated killing a cute little baby in its carrier? Or even outside its carrier? Or an ugly baby? I don't think these groups should have the right to use images of humans past a fetal stage. A cute little baby is not the focus of their campaign. Where are the photos of swimmy-looking eggs, or bean-sized fetuses? That early-stage elephant trunk-looking thing of yet-undetermined sex? (And really, you have to wonder why more forced-birthers don't identify as pro-LGBT, given the things they love most in the world spend their formative weeks in a soupy gender-transcending state. This isn't to say there aren't pro-LGBT ones out there, but politically they seem less common. Maybe because its hard to explain supporting equal right to pursuing liberty for everyone but women?)

Why is it I care more about letting women decide how to use their own uteruses than some women who actually have a uterus, still? These are things I wonder.

Date: 2012-11-06 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pickledginger.livejournal.com
Yes, some people don't get that their right to swing their religion ends where my (or your, or anyone's) chin begins.

Did you see Seanan_McGuire's posting on gay marriage? Very nice. DGlenn has excerpted it today.

Sliding further off topic, Scalzi has been rude today about non-voters ... so we don't have to.

Date: 2012-11-06 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pickledginger.livejournal.com
Sorry for double-posting ... network is being glitchy. Can't kill the duplicate, not from here, because of some bit of helpful code in LJ's latest update. Grr.

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Getting back on topic -- if they really lived either the mother or the child, wouldn't they want to ensure that both had good food and good medical care and a safe place to live?

That's WJWD.
Edited Date: 2012-11-06 04:07 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-11-06 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pickledginger.livejournal.com
And, to actually address the topic ...

... if they really lived
either the mother or the child, wouldn't
they want to ensure that both had good food, and good medical care, and adequate clothing, and a safe place to live?

Isn't that WJWD?

Date: 2012-11-06 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veronica-rich.livejournal.com
Somewhere in their minds, the best-intentioned ones are doing what they think Jesus would want - keeping a potential human being from being killed (and I'll admit that's what abortion is - I won't flinch from it). But what they don't realize is they're taking away the choice of an existing human being already AND they're impacting the life of a whole new eventual person who will either be raised by a resentful parent (or parents) or run the risk of being fostered or adopted by assholes instead of decent human beings. (Yes, that's a risk when someone gives birth, too, but we don't try to legally STOP "unfit" women from having their own babies, now do we?)

Date: 2012-11-06 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pickledginger.livejournal.com
Yes, granted. But I don't think it's nearly so much about the embryo for most of these anti-abortionists as it is about control, and about imposing their God on others, but mostly about control and keeping women in their subservient place.

If it were about saving a life, or potential life, then so many of them would not oppose the termination of non-viable pregnancies, even when that termination is necessary to save the only life that could possibly be preserved.

Date: 2012-11-06 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veronica-rich.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm just trying to give the benefit of the doubt. That, and I know a few anti-choice people (sorry friends, but that's what I still call it even when it's you, because that's the net result) who actually ARE in it for protecting a potential life and for whom the woman's choice is just a casualty (and who don't oppose termination for health reasons). Doesn't mean I approve, but if it's genuinely for that reason, I'm less resentful than if it's all about control.

Date: 2012-11-06 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pickledginger.livejournal.com
Absolutely. I can respect the ones who are honest and ethically consistent ... while still disagreeing a absolutely with their position.

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