Date: 2009-04-25 07:50 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] alex-beecroft.livejournal.com
I don't get this at all. What do people gain out of living in a country where not everyone has access to medical care? Why is that state of inequality and injustice something worth fighting for?

Date: 2009-04-25 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] finding-neo.livejournal.com
Some Americans believe that you have to provide for yourself to be a successful American. Otherwise you're living off the sweat of other Americans.

While I understand that value system, hell, I grew up under it, I also know that ANYONE can fall on hard times no matter how hard you work. It happened to my family and I am still paying for it emotionally to this day.

That's why it makes me very angry to see people screaming Socialism and Fascists about how the Obama administration is trying to help Americans who need it.

The concept these conservatives don't understand is that freedom ain't cheap. If you want freedoms, you have to pay for them. We pay in the form of taxes. It is not taxation without representation - you voted, didn't you? Sorry if your guy didn't get in the White House, but you also vote for your state's senators and representatives to go to Washington and speak for you, as well as local representatives who actually have a greater impact on you at home than most of what your congressmen vote on in Washington on a yearly basis. Hell, we even vote for our road commissioner in my county and when the snow is 8 inches deep he's someone who has a big impact on my life that day!

Taxes are going to be there no matter who's in the White House. If someone doesn't like what the government is doing with their tax dollars, they may try not paying taxes to see how long their freedom lasts then.


Date: 2009-04-25 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dahlianna.livejournal.com
Let us also keep in mind that these are the same types of people who, when talking about the war and provisions being sent to Iraqis (or whichever country we happen to be bombing in the name of freedom at the time), will make the comment, "Why don't we help some of the underprivileged people in this country instead of sending so much aid to them?"

These people's "logic"....it escapes me...


As for the "work for what you've got" mentality, I'm split on that. The profession I'm in affords me a little insight into the "welfare state" and it's made me take that attitude on a case-by-case basis. Yes, there are people who desperately need the help...OMG yes. And I love to see those people get what they need. But then there are also ones who refuse to work because it's simply too hard and not worth the time and effort to them when they can get food stamps and TANF all year and the only reason to work for about a month a year is so they can get $2,000-a-piece tax refunds on all their kids at home. (I am not making this up...these are seriously the types of attitudes of some of these people...we had one woman who DIVORCED her new husband so her food stamps would go back up!!)

You can call me jaded, but it's hard to work around that for long and not form an opinion against a lot of it.

The medical care for all thing, though? I think that's an awesome idea. At least they can't trade that for cigarettes...I guess....who knows anymore?

Date: 2009-04-26 05:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-silver-rose.livejournal.com
I'd heard it said once that if the members of Congress had to pay into Social Security, they'd do everything in their power to make sure it was there for them when they retired. Can't remember who said it, though.

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