One Mary Sue is much like another

[veronica_rich]

You know, if you're a fan of a "forbidden couple" in your own favorite fandom, I would think the very last thing you would want to do is point and laugh and make fun of teenage girls who love the lead couple in "Twilight."

And anyone who wants to go to the movie to do nothing but point and laugh? Wait a couple of months until it's at the dollar theater. Better yet, wait to rent the DVD. Or buy the book and scream with laughter at home. Let the girls go get their fun out of it first - they're not paying $10 to listen to your "witticisms" and cutting remarks about their taste or relative intelligence. It's an escape - it may not be Chaucer, but it's what they enjoy. I don't believe I would enjoy the books or the movie based on what I've read, but I wouldn't shell out my own money to deliberately ruin somebody else's theatrical experience.

I'm just saying.

Comments

[sirriamnis.livejournal.com]

Yeah, a group of us are waiting until the hysteria dies down, then we'll go to a late weeknight showing when the little darlings are all tucked in their beds with thoughts of sparkly vampires dancing through their heads.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I'm going to wait until it's on cable. I already pay for that. ;-)

[malakhai.livejournal.com]

I'm not going to ruin anyone's experience, I'm just going to chuckle and laugh to myself.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

As I told someone else, this is why you have loose-necked shirts. Pull it up over your face and guffaw into your bra. :-D

[vejiicakes.livejournal.com]

Ditto the above, though I can't exactly be blamed if the force of my internal reactions elicit a stronger external response than strictly necessary. *has been known to guffaw at inappropriate times before*

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

This is why God gave you loose-necked shirts. So you can pull it up over your face and laugh into your bra. ;-)

[thewolfmistress.livejournal.com]

*sighs* I'm going to go see it Sunday with a friend. I fully intend to enjoy myself no matter what. It'll be fun, I'll be with someone who's awesome.

My other friend lended me the book, I'll let you know how that goes.

But no matter what, my "witticisms," will be safely ensconced in my head until I'm out of earshot, you can believe that.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I just don't think there's any reason to go into a theater and make other people feel bad. (I'll edit so you may enjoy my comment in privacy in your e-mail. *G*)

[golden-helikaon.livejournal.com]

I started reading the book... I want that half hour of my life back.

I'm not even going to bother with the movie, no matter how unintentionally funny it might be. It'll be on Sky Movies in the next ten or so months, I can wait (and even then I might not watch it).

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

For me, that's just it - I don't like it, don't want to be interested, so why waste my time? I only go to movies I won't like for my sister, because you know, she's my sister.

[kahva.livejournal.com]

{Nods} From what I know of the books, they're not something I'm going to enjoy - vampires are NOT SPARKLY IN THE SUNLIGHT, durn it all!! Unless, as was suggested by someone a few months ago, they put on body glitter and crashed a Twilight convention. But, I do have a handful of friends who like the books, so for me it's like Harry Potter - doesn't do anything for me, but if others like it, good for them. I'm not going to make fun of them liking the books, and I'm not going to try and ruin anyone's movie going fun on purpose. I've got better things to do with my $8-10 dollars, like putting gas in my car, getting groceries, feeding my cats.

I'm starting to feel sorry for the few I know who like the books, because some of the reviews for the movie don't sound very promising. I think one said that the actors playing the vampires didn't look like attractive, potentially lethal beings, but actors who had simply fallen into a lot of pancake makeup. Sounds to me like the movie is going to be yet another case of fans saying, "The book(s) was(were) MUCH better," when they leave the theatre.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

You know, there will be plenty of people who like this movie. Just as there are plenty of people who like Harlequin romances. (And I know for a fact some of the people who think "Twilight" is shit also like romance novels. Hell, I've liked a few and I don't think good things about "Twilight" just from what I've read.) If I saw someone reading a romance novel on their lunch break in a restaurant or something, I wouldn't stop to point and laugh at them. That's pretty much what this is.

[xzombiexkittenx.livejournal.com]

And that is why I am here, commenting, instead of annoying some poor kid. Also, my bad movie buddy is far, far away.

In other news I ONLY JUST FOUND OUT THE VAMPIRES SPARKLE. WTF?! Seriously?! What? SPARKLE?!

Twilight has broken my caps and my ?!. And I barely know anything about it.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Their tears are made of diamonds too, DID YOU KNOW THAT.

I don't mind poking fun. I just don't think deliberately going to something you're going to catcall the whole time is the way to go, where there are other fans who genuinely like it. (Not unless it ends up a cult hit like Rocky Horror or something.)

[(Anonymous)]

Got to be honest with y'all: after seeing a delusional segment of a certain fandom that yes, indeed, killing someone is a sign of love and said killee will find it incredibly romantic, Twilight strikes me as rather sane. No, I'm not seeing it, but I refuse to make fun of it. At least Twilight's Mary Sue won't be suspected of sleeping with a bunch of other men and therefore ending up with a child of unknown paternity. Even better, if she does, Twilight's fans will find that reprehensible rather than some sort of feminist statement.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I want to know just how much a POTC fan Stephanie Meyer is. Supposedly she started writing her first book in mid-2003. And ... Isabella (Spanish for "Elizabeth") Swann? LOL

[justawench.livejournal.com]

I suspect if I were 13, I'd be all over Twilight. However, the previews make it look cheesy and trite and I've already been through a vampire phase and gotten over it.

The leading dude doesn't match my ideal of male beauty either, so it has no redeeming value to me. *is shallow* ;)

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

My vampire phase was in the 90s with Anne Rice (to be honest, I liked her witch books more than the vampire ones - I need to reread those). I didn't dress up or drink "blood" or anything, but I liked the books and her examinations of heaven and hell.

Yeah, even if I found the lead actor attractive, I would just feel weird about it. He's way too young for me.

[justawench.livejournal.com]

Yeah, me too and I agree: the vampire books kind of went off in a ditch after the first two or three. I remember really enjoying The Mummy and wishing there was a sequel to it, since she left the ending open.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

That was a good one ... I liked "Cry to Heaven" as well (probably because at the time I kept picturing Orlando in the lead role, since her description of his appearance just LOOKED so much like him *G*).

[justawench.livejournal.com]

Oh, yes, that was an early slashy encouragement for me. I didn't know who Orlando Bloom was at the time, though, so the main character was generic in my mind. :)

[virginia-fell.livejournal.com]

What's great is that the actor playing the lead (whatever his name is) looks by all indications to be an extremely silly individual who can't take this seriously. I saw him in interviews before I watched that clip, which is a little like watching Mal Reynolds only after having seen his actor goof around and make fun of his role.

I still didn't make it through the whole clip. I saw insufficient sparkle.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I really question your dedication to the sparkling motion ...

[dahlianna.livejournal.com]

The fans of the "forbidden couple" in the fandom you're talking about are just pissed that the two in "Twilight" worked out and their couple didn't.

To all of these whiny, bitchy, crazy people:
Boo-freaking-hoo. Cry me a river and drown yourself in it. Please. I'm so goddamn sick of hearing the term Sparrabeth and all your little bitches about every little thing. You're kind of like the current Republican party. Not everyone in your group is bad, but you few that are (such as the Neo-Cons in the Republican party) are SO bad that you're giving all others a bad name.
Love,
Me


Sorry. I went to see the movie tonight and the theater was PACKED. And if I'd paid that much to squeeze myself into a space too small for a human being to fit in between two other humans in the same predicament for 2 1/2 hours and I'd had someone(s) start bitching all the way through it, I might've had to kill them. You know, just cause. *G*

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

See, that's just it: I've sat in movies and listened to asinine bitching. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, GET UP AND GO OUT AND DEMAND YOUR MONEY BACK. I mean, how craptastic was "A Night at the Roxbury?" These people nowadays have NO idea ... and we didn't bitch loudly through it. We held it in and developed migraines, which is only polite. *G*

"Twilight" I could care less about - I'm glad you found somebody else to go with (or not) because I think "Harold and Kumar" is about my limit of seeing things I don't like just for you. :-P And at least it had NPH.

(Good job on qualifying the "Republican" remark, BTW. I don't want any wars starting in here.)

[mamazano.livejournal.com]

Isn't sparkle one of those magic words? Like moonlight? Maybe the disenchanted from the one fandom can find their twu romance in the other. I mean, death is a form of foreplay...

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Maybe Jack sparkled when he sank with the Pearl, chained there by the woman who loved him true. The seas were certainly sparkling. ;-)

[danglingdingle.livejournal.com]

There's this one part of human nature that I've never even begun to understand; What is the fun of deliberately pissing into other people's breakfast porriges?

When I sit here, really thinking what kind of a person would pay money to be able to purposely, maliciously ruin other people's day and possibly an experience they've actually nervously waited for, I honestly hope I'll never meet that person.
I don't pretend to understand that kind of behaviour even when it's free of charge, but it just goes over my head completely when there's money in the equation.

Is it some sort of feeling of superiority that people get from that kind of behaviour? Is it that somehow other person's likes and dislikes are less meaningful, and should actually be stomped on and killed with fire, in comparison to the bullies' fancies?

Then, well...Imagine, if you will, a young couple going to have sex for the first time, one of them might even still be a virgin; Everything's going smoothly, it's romantic and nice and safe and all they could ever ask for, and suddenly this guy in a clown suit jumps through the window with a magnifying glass and a balloon that has 'LOL' printed on it, and starts to sing "Look! LOOK! Look how small it is! You couldn't catch fish with that! And would you look at those strech marks and that flab!", and it doesn't stop before daddy comes in with a shotgun, and you don't really know which part of it all is actually worse.

Ok, maybe not the most everyday example, but still; What's in it for the clown?

Serious question.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

LULZ. Seriously, because this is all life is now. LULZ for the sake of cutting somebody else down. It pisses me off. (Which is not to be confused with cutting somebody else down because they've done it to you first, repeatedly and gleefully. I am not a "turn the other cheek" kind of gal.)

See, this is why we can't have nice things.

[venusinchains.livejournal.com]

'...point and laugh and make fun of teenage girls who love the lead couple in "Twilight."'

There are people loudly proclaiming they plan to do this in theaters? I hope they get bounced out the doors (as should anyone willfully creating a disturbance in a theater with any other paying customers). Based on what little I know of the book (a delightfully twisted analysis pointing out its basis in Mormonism - somewhere here on lj), I couldn't be less interested in seeing the movie. (If that analysis was even the tiniest bit accurate, I'm sure I'd laugh my ass off or be fuming mad through the whole thing.)

But, if I were the least bit attracted to the male lead I'd be the first in line. Just sayin'. ;-)

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Honey, there are people who have already DONE THIS in theaters. (And if I were at a movie I wanted to see and someone behind me was doing this, I would totally stand up and pour my soda down their crotch. Really, having met me, do you doubt? *G*)

The male lead does nothing for me. In fact, I sadly have the opposite reaction. Right after "ewww, way too young."

[roguedemon.livejournal.com]

Honestly, I love vampires, I can understand the fascination. I can understand the romantic fascination too -- I was into the Buffyverse. The problem I have is that the writing is sooooo bad. And Bella (that is her name, right?) is a horrible character, she sets feminism back as further than Sarah Palin, as near as I can figure from reading descriptions of the books and excerpts. I mean, is this what women as obsessed with now? And of course, the Vampire is the the cheesiest character that ever cheesed. Characters that are that perfect make me throw up a little in my mouth. Seriously, Meyers must have the maturity/fantasy life of a ten-year-old.

The movie sounds like it might be kind of fun to watch on a rainy Sunday when it turns up on Basic Cable, a few years from now. It sounds like they managed to largely sweep aside the epic fail of Meyer's writing.

It's actually disappointing to me that there's this cool new thing out, and it's so lame.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Yep. I wish it was something I could enjoy. I don't think it looks very good. But, I won't go and ruin somebody else's paid experience - as you point out and as I said elsewhere, that's what cable's for. *G*