Wow (courtesy of angry_biscuit)

[veronica_rich]

Um ... how fucking self-defeating can you be?

Seriously ... your female candidate loses, so instead of getting over it and voting for the next best thing being offered in this particular election to what you wanted, you're going for the senile white guy who wants to stay at war for 100 years, and privatize Social Security (among other things not desirable for minorities or people who earn under $200K a year, I assure you)?

A vote for McCain is a third term for Bush. Your choice. Pass it on.

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[golden-helikaon.livejournal.com]

I've heard about that. Some people who can't vote for Clinton, so they're going Republican instead.

[vejiicakes.livejournal.com]

I suppose it was naive of me to suppose that, whether Clinton or Obama lost, their supporters would by and large turn to whoever was the remaining Democratic candidate when it came to the final presidential vote. (I mean, I was a Clinton supporter, and that was always my plan. I felt the Democandidates were pretty win/win, really.) If not because they shared a lot of the same policies, then surely at least because they were NOT!McCain.

*sigh* Well, being NOT!Bush didn't make Kerry a shoe-in the way I'd assumed back then--I suppose the same logic wouldn't apply now. Oy.

[porridgebird.livejournal.com]

They support Hillary SO much that they won't respect what she asks them to do, and turn their support to Obama and the Democratic Party? And voting for McCain, talk about kicking her when she's down! Don't they see that?

[justawench.livejournal.com]

Way to show how rational and thoughtful women are. Not to mention that I've been getting the vibe that, as a woman, I'm free to vote for any female candidate of my choosing. Bite me, bitches. (See, I can use that term and get away with it!)

I guess all those women will be pleased when Roe v. Wade is overturned and their employers no longer offer insurance thanks to McCain's Every Man for Himself healthcare plan.

[venusinchains.livejournal.com]

Is this more of that new brand of Radical Feminism? It does seem kind of self-defeating. :-/

[philosophercat.livejournal.com]

This is what happened up here. Canadians were angry at the Liberals for their sponsorship scandalness, voted in the Conservatives just to show 'em. And now, I hear of people being sentenced to house arrest for 6 years... without charge.

*cries*

[nobleplatypus]

Seriously... I know the campaign got a bit ugly, but people need to stop pretending that Obama and Clinton aren't 95% identical. I had lost a good deal of my good feeling towards Hillary by the end, but I'd cast a grudging vote for her LONG before chucking a spiteful vote to McCain. Christ.

[geekmama.livejournal.com]

How is it that they don't understand that if we don't vote for the Dem candidate, the Rep candidate is going to win the election?

[crevette.livejournal.com]

Look at it this way--for a lot of people it isn't about party loyalty. It's about how the candidates fit with what a person's personal viewpoints and values. Some of the BS is spite, and some of it is simply that the chosen candidate really isn't what people feel the country needs.

This thing about voting "Democrat or die" thing is BS for all the Independant and third party voters and disaffected Republicans. They have to find a candidate that aligns closest with their views. Not everyone who wanted to vote for Clinton was a democrat--and not just because that douche Rush Limbaugh thought he was being clever. (the man needs to be shot for perverting our election processes)

Obama is very far left and liberal. Clinton was pretty left but she was more centrist in a lot of aspects. People who are more conservative aren't going to go as far left as Obama. It just ain't going to happen.

McCain isn't Satan. He's not the best candidate in the world, but neither is Obama. (and Obama supporters who recoil at people who say that, start screaming "RACIST" and throwing insults around really are NOT helping the cause. Just sayin'.)

Personally, I'm researching third party options because I really find both major party candidates unacceptable.

That said, if McCain does the predicted softening of the Republican party platform on abortion, that's going to take a way a lot of Obama's moderate female republican support that would be voting for him only for that reason. The frothing at the mouth conservatives really are not a major factor. They--and everyone else--overestimated their pull. That's evident by the fact that McCain overwhelming defeated their favored son Romney.

I know we don't agree on these things, but just my two cents from not necessarily the other end of the spectrum, but maybe more towards the middle???

[lazy-daisy64.livejournal.com]

I don't lean that far to the left either, but I've voted Republican exactly ONCE in my life, and it was for a very moderate gubernatorial candidate. He was pro choice, which, I admit, it extremely important to me. But I'm not going there in this post.

I agree with Ver that this is the classic case of "cutting off your nose to spite your face." I disgree that Obama and Clinton are THAT different in their policies; their voting records show it, I believe. People are pissed, REALLY pissed, because their candidate lost, and there is lots of real and perceived personal slighting going on. Hillary's supporters are so mad because they believe she got bad treatment from the press because she's a woman; I agree that gender bias is pretty deep. And we'll see how deep the racial bias remains in this country. I for one am not optimistic that Obama can win this. As much as I loathe the thought of McCain in the White House, I'm trying to be realistic.

And as for "softening the Republican platform on abortion," that will not happen. There are too many organized and vocal forces that support the party generously that will NEVER allow that to happen. Moderate repubs who support women's rights don't get elected, at least as far as I can tell, and certainly not in red states. McCain, IMO, promises a third term for Bush, and Democratic voters looking for another option should look at his candidacy very closely if they think they're getting something "different." The power behind the republican party is very strong. It shouldn't be underestimated.

[solitaryraven.livejournal.com]

One of the girls I know online who is probably the most unreasonable person I know, admitted to me that she absolutely hates McCain but she decided he was her back up and she had to stick to that. As she said "it's important to vote, so he'll get mine, but ONLY because Hillary isn't on the ballot."

I'm sorry, but first of all, it's only important to vote if you're voting for a reason and not just to vote. You're hurting the country more by voting for someone you dislike. Second of all, if you supported at Hillary at all, then you owe it to this country to at least look at Obama's plans since they're so completely similar, at least compared to McCain's.

...it makes my head hurt. This is why I have no faith in Americans. Petty, petty, petty.

[a-silver-rose.livejournal.com]

IMO, if people are going to compare DNC 2008 to the General Election of 2000, a few things need to be pointed out:

1) Hilary Clinton was claiming she got more of the popular vote based only on the numbers of voters in the *primaries*. The voting numbers from the *caucuses* were not calculated, because they were not available or released (can't recall which off the top of my head).

2) Hilary Clinton has long been seen as a divisive figure, ever since her First Lady Days. I'll concede that a good slice of this is because she's a woman, but she's has been tagged with the "liberal" label just like Obama has.

3) I don't think it would be too far off base to surmise that if Obama had walked away with the majority of pledged delegates (with or without Florida and Michigan), the superdelegates are well aware that if they went the other way and gave Clinton the nomination, they would effectively be slicing the Democrat Party's vote. *That* would be the big scandal, the Dems ignoring the vote of the people (by way of pledged delegates) and throwing the victory to the person who lost. Sound familiar, anyone?

4) Hilary Clinton was OK with the punishment being handed down to the FL and MI delegations until it became clear that she needed their votes to bolster her delegate count.

5) McCain, while trying to distance himself from Bush publicly, is actively trying to court Bush's support. He also wants to make Bush's corporate tax cuts permanent. Doesn't sound like he's doing much distancing to me.

6) McCain voted AGAINST the national holiday honoring Martin Luther King, Jr.

7) Obama, while serving in the Illinois legislature, voted for a gas tax holiday. The gas tax holiday didn't work, as prices stayed the same or went higher anyway. Obama has since apologized voting for this failed idea.

8) McCain believes in free trade, which, although a noble idea on paper,just doesn't work.

I'm sure I can come up with some other things, too, given more time.

[finding-neo.livejournal.com]

Heard an NPR report this evening where they interviewed 3 "radical" Hillary supporters, emphasis mine. All 3 claimed they would be voting for McCain in November.

I don't know if the NPR report meant to reveal these people as idiots or not, maybe that's why they featured 3 with the same ignorant viewpoint. It didn't sound like they knew a damn thing about what Obama's platform/plans are, they were just pissed off. There were 2 women and one man, believe it or not. The man believed Obama was going to overtax businesses, of all things. Let's start with the oil companies, shall we? Christ on a trike.

The whole feminism thing has me stymied. So it's unfeminist if you vote for Obama since you can't vote for Hillary, WTF??? Sounds like it's just a fucking excuse to hide the real reason, racism.

There is a part of white middle class America which harbors racial bias. I do not mean the rednecks in Appalachia, I mean middle and upper class COLLEGE educated WHITE Americans. I know a few. They usually drive SUVs and wear designer clothes/suits; are members of the golf club, yacht club, boat club, you-name-it-club. They like to think they are liberal, because they want their individual rights, but when it boils down to it, they are neocons.

I would love to know the demographics of the Hillary supporters/Obama haters. I bet most fall in those above descriptions. They didn't learn anything in college because they were too busy with the frat party/sorority bash scene. When I was in college no one talked about it, but it was widely known that most frats and sororities didn't let in black people. Which is why they haven't bothered to know what Obama wants to do for America; they only supported Hillary because all their friends did. And the women can now call themselves feminists because they supported her, even though a lot of them only work to pay for daycare or get out of the house.

I'll laugh my ass off if Obama does decide to pick Hillary for Veep.
Those people are going to either eat their words then, or be voting for a black man.

Feel free to pass this along =)

[beldar.livejournal.com]

It blows my mind how deep the stupid goes.

There seems to be a huge number of people in this country who honestly believe that Hillary (HERSELF, not just her party or those who agree with her policies) is pure goodness and the salvation of America. I liken this to the third of the population who believe that GWB has done no wrong.
I've known of this woman longer than most of you -- she is not the saint you think she is!

Sure there's an element of racism in the vote-for-McCain-out-of-spite movement, but I think a bigger factor is good old-fashioned immaturity and magical thinking. The "I'm going to hold my breath until you make Hillary the nominee" attitude. The kind of thinking that drives people to call me at the paper where I work wanting me to jump in my time machine and make yesterday's edition not say what it said.

Grow up and get a grip, folks. You want a candidate on the left who has a real chance of winning, you got Obama, Obama or Obama. Otherwise, vote for the alternate party that fits your views or STFU.