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veronica_rich ([personal profile] veronica_rich) wrote2006-07-24 10:06 pm
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Hypothesis about Jack's fate - more fiction fun

There's no real way to bring up this discussion without a cut.


If someone else already brought this up, feel free to point me to the thread; I don't always catch everything on LJ, as I am usually just surfing it while doing work online. This is just something I came up with while driving home.

A lot of people have talked about Will possibly replacing Davy Jones in his "office" in the third movie. But it seems more logical to me that Jack would do this - not strictly as Davy Jones as he now is, but Jack's OWN version of being the immortal King of the Seas (meaning, he doesn't have to be all fishy and miserable). And of course, he'd have the Pearl instead of the Dutchman.

Of course, Jack being lazy as all-get-out, he'd have real issues with having to actually *work* as Death of the Ocean, having to harvest big disasters like the Titanic ("Jesus Christ! WHO PUT THAT ICEBERG THERE?!").

Thoughts?

[identity profile] gloromeien.livejournal.com 2006-07-25 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Just saw the movie again last Sunday night, and, coincidentally, had some thoughts about this issue. I noticed something about the Kracken, particularly that he retrieves souls for Davy Jones. Bascially, he attacks, the souls that are either dead or dying are returned to the deck of the Flying Dutchman, and then Davy does his little 'are you with me or do you want to go to hell' song and dance. Which means that Jack is going to end up in the crew of the Dutchman, or at least undead and well on its deck, therefore supporting your theory and also providing a fairly easy way, plot-wise, for him to be rescued.

Also, I have heard these things from primary sources (those involved with the film) about Part 3: a) that the villain is primarily the East India Trading Company, b) that there's going to be a sort of UN Council of remaining pirate captains that try to combine their forces to strike back at the EITC, and c) a clip at Comic Con showed Jack fighting Davy Jones atop the rigging in the rain, and d) Elizabeth and Jack are together for a time in the third while Will is elsewhere (which is when Keith Richards comes in). Could Davy be enlisted to their cause after some of Jack's machinations? Hard to say.

Indeed, not sure what conclusions to derive from all this. While I do think Will is tied metaphorically to Davy Jones, that was explicit enough in DMC, I don't think that means he will take over for him, simply that he'll have the same choice to make at some point (and, being Will, he will make the right one, unlike Jones). I think he'll be tempted. Also, I really think that line of Jack's about the kracken not being tamed with Davy's death was a Sparrow manipulation of sorts for some ulterior motive, because why would the souls aboard the Dutchman be freed if the heart is killed but not the monster? Doesn't make sense.

So, lots to think about, and a long time to keep thinking about it. I'm considering giving up while I'm ahead, just so that I enjoy the third as much as I did the second.

Hope this was of interest,

-G. ;D

[identity profile] veronica-rich.livejournal.com 2006-07-26 05:31 am (UTC)(link)
I figured the souls left on the decks of ruined ships were probably those who managed to avoid falling into the Kraken's mouth or tentacles (which explains why there are so few) - they're still truly alive, but only at Jones's pleasure.

I look forward to the "pirate council" you mention - I've heard it elsewhere, too. I also *heart* rigging shots and am breathlessly anticipating Jack being involved in such a fight. But mostly, I'm looking forward to Jack and Will fighting as a team once again, alongside one another, for the same goal, instead of being at odds constantly and cross-purposes.