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veronica_rich) wrote2006-04-30 09:23 pm
veronica_rich) wrote2006-04-30 09:23 pm
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Good trip and fictional musings
Three weeks ago, my friend Susan got married, to a college professor she's known for more than a year. Like me, Susan is in her almost-mid-30s and I didn't think she'd ever get married, even though she did date and had lived with a guy before this one. At any rate, she was never searching for a husband, so I think that's the best way to go. (Unlike me - I do not live well with other humans, and I know this from experience. Sex would not abate that.)
Last night I went to her delayed wedding reception, and met a lot of new people (and some old ones, from the wedding and once or twice before, mostly his friends who'd adopted her into their circle). Susan was telling me how I ought to move closer to them (they live 100 miles from me, which is hard to visit because of gas prices) - of course I can't because of decreased job possibilities. But anyway, it was much fun and it's the first time in a long time that I've drank a LOT, didn't get drunk, and woke up this morning without a headache. Maybe I'm aging in reverse! LOL
Okay, fictional musings. In order to proceed to this next part, you have to have an interest in POTC2, you have to not be scared off by some spoilers (believe it or not, I am trying to avoid really major ones, but I've been sucked into looking at some of the still photos and seeing the two trailers now out), and you have to watch the current Japanese trailer first, especially near the end. It can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZhzUAs5W7I&eurl if you haven't seen it.
Near the end is a very brief cut-in scene of what looks like Jack and Elizabeth very close, facing, his hands up, almost like they're about to kiss or something. That's what I'm referring to herein.
I certainly hope this is either one of them leaning in to bluff and make a point, or a quick kiss that will result in the same reaction Marty McFly and Lorraine Baines had to each other in the 1950s part of "Back to the Future" when Lorraine tried to kiss him and felt icky for it.
HOWEVER ... I do not have the faith in the writers that others in this fandom seem to. My opinion is the first movie was saved much on the backs of Johnny and Gore fixing dialogue and plot points (I don't mean the other actors weren't good; what I mean is the writers did a less than stellar job and were saved from themselves. Listen to the writer commentary on the DVD sometime and how often they talk about being asked to change the script here and there, and THEIR ideas of what made the movie so successful). I have a worry - in the fictional sense, of course; I realize this isn't war in Iran or "real world" stuff - that these two are going to try to set up the old, tired, lame-ass "conflict between two men for the love of a woman" angle, using Will, Jack, and Elizabeth.
I know some on my f-list will disagree with my following statement just like some will disagree about my previous statement about Ted and Terry, but I'll say it anyway: Jack and Elizabeth are NOT a feasible pairing. They are too alike. They would work well together to achieve an end, and they could have a fabulous mentor-student partnership. But sexually? Just - NO. There IS tension in that threesome, but it's not between Jack and Will for the attentions of Elizabeth ...
Last night I went to her delayed wedding reception, and met a lot of new people (and some old ones, from the wedding and once or twice before, mostly his friends who'd adopted her into their circle). Susan was telling me how I ought to move closer to them (they live 100 miles from me, which is hard to visit because of gas prices) - of course I can't because of decreased job possibilities. But anyway, it was much fun and it's the first time in a long time that I've drank a LOT, didn't get drunk, and woke up this morning without a headache. Maybe I'm aging in reverse! LOL
Okay, fictional musings. In order to proceed to this next part, you have to have an interest in POTC2, you have to not be scared off by some spoilers (believe it or not, I am trying to avoid really major ones, but I've been sucked into looking at some of the still photos and seeing the two trailers now out), and you have to watch the current Japanese trailer first, especially near the end. It can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZhzUAs5W7I&eurl if you haven't seen it.
Near the end is a very brief cut-in scene of what looks like Jack and Elizabeth very close, facing, his hands up, almost like they're about to kiss or something. That's what I'm referring to herein.
I certainly hope this is either one of them leaning in to bluff and make a point, or a quick kiss that will result in the same reaction Marty McFly and Lorraine Baines had to each other in the 1950s part of "Back to the Future" when Lorraine tried to kiss him and felt icky for it.
HOWEVER ... I do not have the faith in the writers that others in this fandom seem to. My opinion is the first movie was saved much on the backs of Johnny and Gore fixing dialogue and plot points (I don't mean the other actors weren't good; what I mean is the writers did a less than stellar job and were saved from themselves. Listen to the writer commentary on the DVD sometime and how often they talk about being asked to change the script here and there, and THEIR ideas of what made the movie so successful). I have a worry - in the fictional sense, of course; I realize this isn't war in Iran or "real world" stuff - that these two are going to try to set up the old, tired, lame-ass "conflict between two men for the love of a woman" angle, using Will, Jack, and Elizabeth.
I know some on my f-list will disagree with my following statement just like some will disagree about my previous statement about Ted and Terry, but I'll say it anyway: Jack and Elizabeth are NOT a feasible pairing. They are too alike. They would work well together to achieve an end, and they could have a fabulous mentor-student partnership. But sexually? Just - NO. There IS tension in that threesome, but it's not between Jack and Will for the attentions of Elizabeth ...
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You could do that, or just post the gist of it herein, if that's easier for you. I trust your summary skills. :-D
Your comment actually came through 3 times, so it looks like you did okay (well, this one is partial, but the other 2 came through intact). I may reply more in full later on, but I think I can cover your other points herein:
You may not have read all the comments all the way through this entire post. It is noted - by me and others - that this is surely not the thrust of the movie. This is the problem a fan runs into, however, when she doesn't want to know the full extent of everything that's happening in the movie (spoilers!) and chooses instead to speculate based on what little she's seen and read bandied about. (And, along with that, reads what OTHER people are saying they've read in spoilers, right or wrong.)
As for fanfic relationships - I also note elsewhere in here that I realize that's not going to happen. I think 99.9 percent of fanfic writers are sane enough to know what they come up with is NOT going to be pulled into canon, especially if it involves a same-sex relationship (even in this day and age it's of limited usage in entertainment, especially by a studio like Disney). Frankly, it's more fun for us fanficcers to hew to the subversive - at least that's why I'm not bothered not to see Jack/Will onscreen.
At any rate, that's not what bothered me about the kiss - what bothered me was the idea that Jack is somehow being written as less intelligent or perceptive than in the first movie. That's part of what I love about the character! I just don't want to see him "dumbed down" in the name of dramatic/sexual tension, you know? And while I understand for her time, sex is one of the few weapons Elizabeth has at her disposal, what I liked about her in the first movie is she didn't play dumb and didn't use her body/looks more than necessary. To even *think* she would try to continually lead Jack around by the dick, and that he would ALLOW it - that's what annoyed me, because it's not in their character, IMO.
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I did read all the comments on this post before writing. Fanfic is fun, but you're right that we shouldn't expect to see it on the silver screen.
Jack, as Johnny's comments on Pepe LePew indicate, is not being OOC when he has too high an opinion of his attractiveness to women. And he's always on the lookout for the opportune moment. Jack certainly was outmaneuvered by Elizabeth on the island in the first movie--that was why he arranged to have her locked up at Isla de Muerta. Jack is not perfect. He wouldn't be believable if he were. He has his own agenda at all times, so you can't say he's being led by Elizabeth. Most of the time they don't agree at all, or if they do, it's for different reasons as in PotC1. But he can be distracted by her.