veronica_rich: (not hitler)
veronica_rich ([personal profile] veronica_rich) wrote2011-05-02 12:25 am

Well, now

Working with Pakistan to get bin Laden - now THAT'S cooperation. Good job, guys!

(I do wonder who in his organization is going to step up to take his place, though. Taking out the head may weaken a group but it doesn't necessarily mean its end. Still, this is an important psychological piece of news for a lot of Americans, at the least.)

ETA: I do confess I'm rather uneasy celebrating anyone's death. It may be a lingering superstition from my mother, who always pointed out anytime anyone she knew wished death or illness on someone, it usually seemed it struck someone that person loved instead. Or maybe it's just my typical reaction to the vast majority of extremist reaction; I'm not sure.

[identity profile] hippediva.livejournal.com 2011-05-02 02:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for voicing the same icky feelings I had last night! I was really disturbed by all the dancing in the streets and singing. It just seems to me very horrible to be celebrating anyone's demise, no matter how terrible that person might have been. But, that said, I can't be sorry he's gone. Definitely problematic.

[identity profile] veronica-rich.livejournal.com 2011-05-02 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't take credit for being the first to feel it; Nat was extremely uneasy last night over all the mass rejoicing, and we discussed why that might be. I told her on the news, there was footage of people at Ground Zero celebrating, and in D.C., and I pointed out in those two places, I can kind of see their point - they were the ones that got hit, especially NYC. I'm willing to give them a pass for a day or two of over-the-top cheeriness, I suppose. (And honestly, for the college-aged people, consider that this manhunt/wars has taken up half their lives - I can see why it'd be a big deal to them too, I guess.) Although I will say, I think Obama handled the announcement decently - he came out, said his piece, and ambled off to bed, frankly looking pretty tired. No smirking or yeehaws, like someone I'm afraid I could have named at one point.

As a skeptic and Independent - and this has nothing to do with partisan politics, just thoroughness - I'd like to know there's some sort of proof verification this was actually bin Laden who died. I'm also curious to the extent of Pakistan's role and knowledge in this (I'm not necessarily accusing those officials of hiding him willingly, but it's a natural question, IMO).

[identity profile] hippediva.livejournal.com 2011-05-02 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
*G* Yes....someone else one my flist wisely quoted Twain: "I do not wish the death of any man. But there are some obituaries I read with pleasure." Or something to that effect...and that sums up my feelings pretty well, if cynically. I understand how it is a big deal and I remember too well the tv footage of dancing in the streets in certain places on 9/11, which was horrible. Then again, it also seems to me that globally we're going backwards towards vicious and vengeful tribal mentalities and no amount of anything is helping to stop it.

There's more and more info coming out---I'm sure they'll release enough to stave off any but the most committed conspiracist. And Pakistan? *eyeroll* He was a guest of State, I'm sure! *snickers* But everyone will figure out a way to politely circle that and settle into another decade of uneasy mutual suspicion. And that has nothing to do with party anything---it's simply international fol-de-rol at its finest. Hasn't changed since the earliest empires---it's all a dance of fear, intimidation, convenience and greed. LOL!