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veronica_rich) wrote2008-05-31 11:00 pm
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Random thoughts on DMC
Watching DMC on USA to see if there's any behind-the-scenes commentary or trivia during commercial breaks.
Will's wedding clothes are the only outfit he does not look GOOD in. Penny Rose is a ruddy genius.
Would you believe I *just* noticed the reason Elizabeth is lower than Will in the cell is because she's standing lower? I could never figure out why she was kneeling. Duhrrrr.
Will, why didn't you kiss her? Lizzie, why didn't you kiss him? You'll talk about sex in front of Daddy, but no smoochies? Geez ...
RE the trip to Cannibal Island: Um, I know Orlando is fluent in French, but I didn't know WILL was. LOL
(ooooh! DVD extra! Johnny in the makeup chair: "I prefer Jack."
Makeup artist: "Well, you don't have to stop playing him just because you don't have the wig on."
JD: "Well, that's sort of an occupational hazard ... you get to be these guys for a length of time, and you get to like them, you become close with them, and you get to be comfortable being them." (Then talks about going between Wonka and Jack, and how ordering at a restaurant as Wonka is disturbing. "It's like shaving your head every day - you wonder if it's going to grow back.")
You know, being tied to a pole by wrists and ankles has to CHAFE something fierce. Ow.
Now Jack does double back when Will mentions Elizabeth in danger ... but it's to have him carried off to the bone cages. What was he going to do with him before then? I would guess the same thing?
You know, I completely forget every time I watch Swann that it's Jonathan Pryce. (Of course, I forget about the other actors, too, but still ...)
Elizabeth, how did you know where that letter was being kept in Beckett's office? Did Will tell you? Or did you have THAT much time to search? (And what makes you think Beckett won't take steps to nullify that letter as soon as you leave?)
Either Tom Hollander is wearing lifts, or Keira's shorter than I thought. I suspect the former.
(Have I mentioned how much I hate Beckett for putting the idea out there of J/E? LOL)
That shot of Pintel and Ragetti falling out of the boat is SO recycled in AWE. Same. Exact. Shot.
Dog with Key: I am the only character that stays IN character in this entire movie. And that's because I have no lines. (Well, me and Cotton.)
Johnny, no. Don't bite the toenail, don't bite it, don- EWWWWWWWW.
Will: "He's a captive as much as the rest of us." Oh, Will - he's had you imprisoned, and you're STILL giving Jack the benefit of the doubt. Then he sells you to Jones. And then ... you help him and his crew again.
Ooooh, the toe necklace. EWWWW, there's real hair and nails worked into those. *shudder*
Jack: "More wood!" *snicker* (Honey, that's what us slash writers try to GIVE you!)
And WTF is up with Jack looking at the EITC symbol on the can of paprika? It has no signficance later on.
Guys in the bone cages - why are you yelling while swinging? Isn't the trick NOT to call attention to yourselves more than you have to? (And climbing up the rock face - I realize they couldn't REALLY ask the actors to do something like this, but when Orlando's hair is hanging TOWARD the vertical rock, you can sort of tell it's really horizontal.)
Although, Will making That Face and yelling at the other guys like he's their mom, to "Stop!" cracks me up every time. (And the Wilhelm Scream as the cage is falling - ROFL!)
(Gore, what's with the humorous little "Ping!" sound when Jack stabs the coconut? I don't remember any of those in CotBP - and it was a lot funnier.)
You know - I've seen the theory that Jack is already immortal because of all he goes through physically and can still get up and walk away (especially at his age - that would severely limit him, I'd think). There might be something TO that ... maybe he just doesn't know it? Would also explain how he can be digested by the kraken and still live.
Scene of Jack being chased by cannibals = Indiana Jones being chased by cannibals. (Seriously, there are SO many comparisons between "Raiders" and this entire series that I won't even go into them all.)
Gee, Jack - "Have you considered locking her up?" "There comes a time when one must take responsibility for one's own mistakes." Hell, I would've thought Elizabeth was at least your friend for standing up for you twice. (Then again, I thought Will was, too ...)
Oh Will, that green leather coat ... you didn't have that. Jack had to give that to you. And it fits so. Very. Well. (Did he acquire it and keep it just for you? *G*)
Now I know that monkey can't die, but still ... it's just cruel to keep shooting it!
You know, Tia Dalma is a cruel, cruel bitch. SHE is the one who didn't meet Jones at his 10-year mark, and now she's telling this story about how he cut out his heart - "what small, fleeting joy life brings" - with smirks and grins and sarcasm? Bear in mind that at this point, she does NOT know Davy was the one to imprison her in human form.
I love Will's "Sailor! Sailor! It's no use, you've run aground." on the wrecked ship. Yet another harbinger of the captain-to-be. (Hell, there are lots of these in this movie; it's how I figured out AWE 10 months ahead of time. I'd say it's the singular thing the writers did correctly, except that I would hope so, since they came up with Will's fate first and wrote everything around THAT.)
You can tell that Will thinks the excuse Jack gave him for Jones is bad as soon as he says it - and when he repeats it. But for those who would say "well, Will had a choice" - what choice? He was already in the boat rowing toward the Dutchman when Jack yelled instructions at him. What was he to do - turn around and go back up on deck and refuse to do this thing to secure Elizabeth's freedom?
Ah, Jack - "He's in love. With a GIRL." Does that even require slash-colored glasses to pick up on? LOL
Aboard the Edinburgh: I love Elizabeth's annoyed "you're taking too long to figure this out!" face with the crew and the dress. And while it was a clever ploy - did nobody think to look UP?
Weatherby, Weatherby. I feel your pain. He can't bear his daughter being killed. He can't know she's in the least danger of all of them (though she IS still in danger).
Liar's dice: Wagering years of service? Would Jones honestly *honor* such bets? Or is it just self-delusion to pass the time? (I'm betting the latter, but hey.) And "That's not part of the game - is it?" I enjoy Will's version of Jack's bluffing style.
But back to the dice game: I feel sorry for the average non-fanatic who went to see this movie, trying to figure out the dice wager - *I* had a hard time on the first viewing. And if Bill hadn't jumped into that game, or Jones hadn't recognized Will's 1 as "wild" allowing him to win - how would Will have avoided swearing an oath to the Dutchman? I just don't think he should've been so quick to call Bill a "fool."
(Hmm. So two of Jack's back gold teeth are actually Johnny's permanent replacements? Interesting ....)
Ha! Indiana Turner and the Heart of Davy Jones!
For those who criticize Will for making his deadbeat dad a priority, even over Elizabeth at some points - I have to wonder if they've ever lost a parent. If they've lost BOTH parents. As a child. And then had the chance to get one back.
The scene aboard the Pearl where Elizabeth is informing Jack and Gibbs about Beckett and the letter? I love how she thinks she's giving them Valuable Information and they're already talking around her, on to the next step of their plan. Although, she COULD be bringing them valuable information, at risk to herself - why is Jack being such an asshole? (As I said before, I thought she was at least his ally. Maybe it's because he knows what he did to Will and instead of showing guilt, he's the type to go on the offensive and be MORE of an ass instead of less?)
I still enjoy some little parallels to CotBP, like Will climbing aboard the floating board after his ship is attacked - though how he ended up on his back the first time eludes me.
Um ... when Jack is hitting on Elizabeth with the "marriage" line, she does not look impressed. Or in love. Or even particularly turned on. (I admit it: The "personal hygiene" line does crack me up every time, along with the rolling eyes.) (Although, I suppose I can see why the J/E fans want it to work out so badly - they're both very pretty. Long hair, dark eyes, similar shirts and boots and hats, boyish bodies. It's like Jack in stereo.)
I still want to know how Elizabeth gets out of digging for that chest. Too good to break a sweat? If she can wave a sword around, she can grip a shovel. Equal opportunity for the ladies!
WHAT was written on those letters sealed in with the chest, and why has nobody written stories about it?
HAHAHA Jack totally smacks Will on the ass with the flat of his sword!
Anyone else notice that Jack's flip off the old mill house directly parallels Will's flip off the gallows in CotBP? (And when the wheel picks Jack up and his kicking feet roll toward the top - the way Will jumps a little and moves aside to let the feet past cracks me up. Kick in the ass much?)
Does it strike anyone else that Elizabeth fights in harmony with Pintel and Ragetti just as well as Will does with Jack?
A backward double sword-stab! I didn't know Legolas was in this movie! *G*
And though Jack does clock Will over the head with an oar, I love the reason he does it - he notices Will checking out the chest and knows he's smart enough to figure out the heart is gone and where it's likely gone TO. Between this and Jack's "Captain Turner?" moment in AWE, he's finally figuring out that Will really isn't a simpleton.
Why is Jack giving Cotton the stinkeye at the helm? What did Cotton do?
Jack did NOT leave the Pearl to draw off the kraken, as some would like to hope. If that were the case, why go back? And why not TELL them he's doing this?
(Hmm. Jack's pistol has a silver face on the bottom of the butt. The props guy was talking about how Gore likes simplicity. Which begs the question - I suppose the writers and Jerry came up with all these convolutions of plot, after all, without him?)
Watching Elizabeth draw her bead on the barrels, I couldn't help thinking - that's a horrible position to be in. Not only does she have to consider killing her fiance to save everybody else, she has to do it with the knowledge that if she does so, Will died doing JACK'S job - while Jack ran away like a big coward. And in strict canon sense, that might give a good final coffin nail for chaining Jack to the mast. (I've always gone back and forth how I feel about her doing this; sometimes, I really do see justification.)
What ever happened with the letter of marque for Norrington? How is he both a privateer AND an admiral - and why take admiral with a man he doesn't respect or even like, when he could be a privateer and still maintain his legal standing with England?
I really cannot figure out what Will is thinking there at the end in the shack. He looks somewhere between angry and amused, and I really think *this* is where he starts changing into what we see in AWE. And with his whispered "aye" in response to Tia Dalma ... it begins.
Will's wedding clothes are the only outfit he does not look GOOD in. Penny Rose is a ruddy genius.
Would you believe I *just* noticed the reason Elizabeth is lower than Will in the cell is because she's standing lower? I could never figure out why she was kneeling. Duhrrrr.
Will, why didn't you kiss her? Lizzie, why didn't you kiss him? You'll talk about sex in front of Daddy, but no smoochies? Geez ...
RE the trip to Cannibal Island: Um, I know Orlando is fluent in French, but I didn't know WILL was. LOL
(ooooh! DVD extra! Johnny in the makeup chair: "I prefer Jack."
Makeup artist: "Well, you don't have to stop playing him just because you don't have the wig on."
JD: "Well, that's sort of an occupational hazard ... you get to be these guys for a length of time, and you get to like them, you become close with them, and you get to be comfortable being them." (Then talks about going between Wonka and Jack, and how ordering at a restaurant as Wonka is disturbing. "It's like shaving your head every day - you wonder if it's going to grow back.")
You know, being tied to a pole by wrists and ankles has to CHAFE something fierce. Ow.
Now Jack does double back when Will mentions Elizabeth in danger ... but it's to have him carried off to the bone cages. What was he going to do with him before then? I would guess the same thing?
You know, I completely forget every time I watch Swann that it's Jonathan Pryce. (Of course, I forget about the other actors, too, but still ...)
Elizabeth, how did you know where that letter was being kept in Beckett's office? Did Will tell you? Or did you have THAT much time to search? (And what makes you think Beckett won't take steps to nullify that letter as soon as you leave?)
Either Tom Hollander is wearing lifts, or Keira's shorter than I thought. I suspect the former.
(Have I mentioned how much I hate Beckett for putting the idea out there of J/E? LOL)
That shot of Pintel and Ragetti falling out of the boat is SO recycled in AWE. Same. Exact. Shot.
Dog with Key: I am the only character that stays IN character in this entire movie. And that's because I have no lines. (Well, me and Cotton.)
Johnny, no. Don't bite the toenail, don't bite it, don- EWWWWWWWW.
Will: "He's a captive as much as the rest of us." Oh, Will - he's had you imprisoned, and you're STILL giving Jack the benefit of the doubt. Then he sells you to Jones. And then ... you help him and his crew again.
Ooooh, the toe necklace. EWWWW, there's real hair and nails worked into those. *shudder*
Jack: "More wood!" *snicker* (Honey, that's what us slash writers try to GIVE you!)
And WTF is up with Jack looking at the EITC symbol on the can of paprika? It has no signficance later on.
Guys in the bone cages - why are you yelling while swinging? Isn't the trick NOT to call attention to yourselves more than you have to? (And climbing up the rock face - I realize they couldn't REALLY ask the actors to do something like this, but when Orlando's hair is hanging TOWARD the vertical rock, you can sort of tell it's really horizontal.)
Although, Will making That Face and yelling at the other guys like he's their mom, to "Stop!" cracks me up every time. (And the Wilhelm Scream as the cage is falling - ROFL!)
(Gore, what's with the humorous little "Ping!" sound when Jack stabs the coconut? I don't remember any of those in CotBP - and it was a lot funnier.)
You know - I've seen the theory that Jack is already immortal because of all he goes through physically and can still get up and walk away (especially at his age - that would severely limit him, I'd think). There might be something TO that ... maybe he just doesn't know it? Would also explain how he can be digested by the kraken and still live.
Scene of Jack being chased by cannibals = Indiana Jones being chased by cannibals. (Seriously, there are SO many comparisons between "Raiders" and this entire series that I won't even go into them all.)
Gee, Jack - "Have you considered locking her up?" "There comes a time when one must take responsibility for one's own mistakes." Hell, I would've thought Elizabeth was at least your friend for standing up for you twice. (Then again, I thought Will was, too ...)
Oh Will, that green leather coat ... you didn't have that. Jack had to give that to you. And it fits so. Very. Well. (Did he acquire it and keep it just for you? *G*)
Now I know that monkey can't die, but still ... it's just cruel to keep shooting it!
You know, Tia Dalma is a cruel, cruel bitch. SHE is the one who didn't meet Jones at his 10-year mark, and now she's telling this story about how he cut out his heart - "what small, fleeting joy life brings" - with smirks and grins and sarcasm? Bear in mind that at this point, she does NOT know Davy was the one to imprison her in human form.
I love Will's "Sailor! Sailor! It's no use, you've run aground." on the wrecked ship. Yet another harbinger of the captain-to-be. (Hell, there are lots of these in this movie; it's how I figured out AWE 10 months ahead of time. I'd say it's the singular thing the writers did correctly, except that I would hope so, since they came up with Will's fate first and wrote everything around THAT.)
You can tell that Will thinks the excuse Jack gave him for Jones is bad as soon as he says it - and when he repeats it. But for those who would say "well, Will had a choice" - what choice? He was already in the boat rowing toward the Dutchman when Jack yelled instructions at him. What was he to do - turn around and go back up on deck and refuse to do this thing to secure Elizabeth's freedom?
Ah, Jack - "He's in love. With a GIRL." Does that even require slash-colored glasses to pick up on? LOL
Aboard the Edinburgh: I love Elizabeth's annoyed "you're taking too long to figure this out!" face with the crew and the dress. And while it was a clever ploy - did nobody think to look UP?
Weatherby, Weatherby. I feel your pain. He can't bear his daughter being killed. He can't know she's in the least danger of all of them (though she IS still in danger).
Liar's dice: Wagering years of service? Would Jones honestly *honor* such bets? Or is it just self-delusion to pass the time? (I'm betting the latter, but hey.) And "That's not part of the game - is it?" I enjoy Will's version of Jack's bluffing style.
But back to the dice game: I feel sorry for the average non-fanatic who went to see this movie, trying to figure out the dice wager - *I* had a hard time on the first viewing. And if Bill hadn't jumped into that game, or Jones hadn't recognized Will's 1 as "wild" allowing him to win - how would Will have avoided swearing an oath to the Dutchman? I just don't think he should've been so quick to call Bill a "fool."
(Hmm. So two of Jack's back gold teeth are actually Johnny's permanent replacements? Interesting ....)
Ha! Indiana Turner and the Heart of Davy Jones!
For those who criticize Will for making his deadbeat dad a priority, even over Elizabeth at some points - I have to wonder if they've ever lost a parent. If they've lost BOTH parents. As a child. And then had the chance to get one back.
The scene aboard the Pearl where Elizabeth is informing Jack and Gibbs about Beckett and the letter? I love how she thinks she's giving them Valuable Information and they're already talking around her, on to the next step of their plan. Although, she COULD be bringing them valuable information, at risk to herself - why is Jack being such an asshole? (As I said before, I thought she was at least his ally. Maybe it's because he knows what he did to Will and instead of showing guilt, he's the type to go on the offensive and be MORE of an ass instead of less?)
I still enjoy some little parallels to CotBP, like Will climbing aboard the floating board after his ship is attacked - though how he ended up on his back the first time eludes me.
Um ... when Jack is hitting on Elizabeth with the "marriage" line, she does not look impressed. Or in love. Or even particularly turned on. (I admit it: The "personal hygiene" line does crack me up every time, along with the rolling eyes.) (Although, I suppose I can see why the J/E fans want it to work out so badly - they're both very pretty. Long hair, dark eyes, similar shirts and boots and hats, boyish bodies. It's like Jack in stereo.)
I still want to know how Elizabeth gets out of digging for that chest. Too good to break a sweat? If she can wave a sword around, she can grip a shovel. Equal opportunity for the ladies!
WHAT was written on those letters sealed in with the chest, and why has nobody written stories about it?
HAHAHA Jack totally smacks Will on the ass with the flat of his sword!
Anyone else notice that Jack's flip off the old mill house directly parallels Will's flip off the gallows in CotBP? (And when the wheel picks Jack up and his kicking feet roll toward the top - the way Will jumps a little and moves aside to let the feet past cracks me up. Kick in the ass much?)
Does it strike anyone else that Elizabeth fights in harmony with Pintel and Ragetti just as well as Will does with Jack?
A backward double sword-stab! I didn't know Legolas was in this movie! *G*
And though Jack does clock Will over the head with an oar, I love the reason he does it - he notices Will checking out the chest and knows he's smart enough to figure out the heart is gone and where it's likely gone TO. Between this and Jack's "Captain Turner?" moment in AWE, he's finally figuring out that Will really isn't a simpleton.
Why is Jack giving Cotton the stinkeye at the helm? What did Cotton do?
Jack did NOT leave the Pearl to draw off the kraken, as some would like to hope. If that were the case, why go back? And why not TELL them he's doing this?
(Hmm. Jack's pistol has a silver face on the bottom of the butt. The props guy was talking about how Gore likes simplicity. Which begs the question - I suppose the writers and Jerry came up with all these convolutions of plot, after all, without him?)
Watching Elizabeth draw her bead on the barrels, I couldn't help thinking - that's a horrible position to be in. Not only does she have to consider killing her fiance to save everybody else, she has to do it with the knowledge that if she does so, Will died doing JACK'S job - while Jack ran away like a big coward. And in strict canon sense, that might give a good final coffin nail for chaining Jack to the mast. (I've always gone back and forth how I feel about her doing this; sometimes, I really do see justification.)
What ever happened with the letter of marque for Norrington? How is he both a privateer AND an admiral - and why take admiral with a man he doesn't respect or even like, when he could be a privateer and still maintain his legal standing with England?
I really cannot figure out what Will is thinking there at the end in the shack. He looks somewhere between angry and amused, and I really think *this* is where he starts changing into what we see in AWE. And with his whispered "aye" in response to Tia Dalma ... it begins.